If every vampire who said he was at the crucifixion was actually there, it would have been like Woodstock.

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Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


sarameg - Jan 27, 2005 8:21:12 am PST #1290 of 10002

You know, I know the sun position changes. I'm good with this. I watch sunsets. I know how quick the motion seems. But for some reason realizing I can see this movement in the form of a band of light moving across my screen is really amazing. I'm not talking "hey, it's on the other side now." I'm talking watch it inch across.


Scrappy - Jan 27, 2005 8:21:59 am PST #1291 of 10002
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

most non-whites are definitively stuck on the new money side

But most whites are stuck there too. The deck is still stacked much more heavily against non-whites crossing the divide, but it's still an awfully exclusive club.


Jessica - Jan 27, 2005 8:22:23 am PST #1292 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I bet you can buy that DVD for money very close to the rental price, even now.

When DH and I were still members of Netflix (which we will be again, once we've gotten the to-be-watched stack down far enough), we were renting about 3 films a week. At $20/month, that averages out to under $2 per movie.


Maria - Jan 27, 2005 8:23:48 am PST #1293 of 10002
Not so nice is that I'm about to ruin a Friday morning for a bunch of people because of a series of unfortunate events and an upset foreign government. - shrift

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Now, what's the best method of hooking it up so I can listen in the car?


Betsy HP - Jan 27, 2005 8:23:50 am PST #1294 of 10002
If I only had a brain...

Nutty, the nouveaux riches in 1890 desperately wanted to be accepted by "old money". See Edith Wharton. By contrast, today the nouveaux riches are perfectly happy to hang out with each other. Donald Trump doesn't care if Mrs. Astor asks him to tea. Alva Vanderbilt (then new money) cared very much indeed.

Boston and Charleston and New York City all have established social elites that are difficult to break into; you have to have been born into the right family. The difference between the 21st century and the 19th century is that people outside those circles aren't particularly interested in breaking in. You weren't invited to the St. Cecelia Ball? Who cares? There's a better party being thrown at the brand-new country club.


Scrappy - Jan 27, 2005 8:24:03 am PST #1295 of 10002
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Wait, Paris Hilton has Old Money pedigree? Wasn't her grandfather a hotel owner? That's new money by WASP standards.


msbelle - Jan 27, 2005 8:24:17 am PST #1296 of 10002
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

I know there are a ton of people who work on movies (yes, those pirating is bad ad-spots really got me ), but am I really supposed to feel bad that Tom Cruise or Jerry Brukheimer is not getting a piece of my rental? Don't they factor things like that into the huge amounts of money they get as payment for their jobs on each movie?

Smaller movies? sure, I get that everyone down the line made less money, but aren't those smaller films working with distributors like Sundance and whatnot to get their product out?


§ ita § - Jan 27, 2005 8:24:43 am PST #1297 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But most whites are stuck there too.

Proportionately? Fewer. Even fewer than the new money disproportion.

Of course rich is exclusive. It's pretty much tied up in the definition.

However, trailer trash with money? Still trailer trash, for those as use the term. The Gottis and the Hiltons and the ... dunno, Kennedys? Not on the same level.


Trudy Booth - Jan 27, 2005 8:26:24 am PST #1298 of 10002
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

There's still an old money/new money divide, and most non-whites are definitively stuck on the new money side.

But nobody cares about old money in America besides old money. It still exists, but it's lost much of its cache. Middle class people used to read the society pages and follow what the Vanderbilts and Scribners were up to. Now people wonder why Paris Hilton (who is largely a joke and hardly revered) is of interest since she's never done anything... it's slipping away.


tommyrot - Jan 27, 2005 8:26:31 am PST #1299 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

But for some reason realizing I can see this movement in the form of a band of light moving across my screen is really amazing. I'm not talking "hey, it's on the other side now." I'm talking watch it inch across.

sarameg is me. I just love noticing evidence of the earth's rotation, revolution, etc.

Sometimes I'll look up and see the moon and I'll wonder if it's waxing or waning. Then I picture the earth rotating to the east (causing the sun and moon to set in the west) and I remember that the moon is going in the same direction around the earth as the earth is rotating (just much slower) so that 24 hours later the moon will also be further to the east. Then I picture where the sun is, and where the moon will be, and then I can tell if more or less of the moon will be illuminated.