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'Hell Bound'


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Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Trudy Booth - Jan 27, 2005 8:12:50 am PST #1282 of 10002
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

But our class is tied to money rather than family.

Almost completely nowadays. Racism lives, but you can transcend a lot of it if you make enough dough. And while the WASPs still have their happy little world they're they only one who gives a damn about it anymore -- nobody else reads the "socitety" pages or gives a darn who this years most stunning debutante is besides the parties in question.


Gus - Jan 27, 2005 8:15:47 am PST #1283 of 10002
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

The trailing edge, ita's 273 flicks, Kat's "they ain't no PPV around these parts" (my phrasing. Sorry, Kat) thing: I bet you can buy that DVD for money very close to the rental price, even now.


§ ita § - Jan 27, 2005 8:16:03 am PST #1284 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Racism lives, but you can transcend a lot of it if you make enough dough.

There is the PoV that racism means that very very few racially disadvantaged people will ever get to make that much dough -- making it not relevant to the bigger picture.

Also, once you do make that much dough, people of the correct colour making that much dough aren't any more enlightened than their poorer brethren -- tales I've heard make it sound even worse.

There's still an old money/new money divide, and most non-whites are definitively stuck on the new money side.


Jessica - Jan 27, 2005 8:18:52 am PST #1285 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

How does it help the creator more than renting?

Not to mention that the "creator" where DVD revenues are concerned is primarily the studio, nsm the artists.


Gus - Jan 27, 2005 8:19:10 am PST #1286 of 10002
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

Pop-tarts?

Is that legal? How does it help the creator more than renting?

The creator isn't getting a cut of rental. Or, anyway, a cut so slim, it is hard to notice.


§ ita § - Jan 27, 2005 8:20:21 am PST #1287 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I bet you can buy that DVD for money very close to the rental price, even now.

My Netflix fees would cover the purchase of two movies per month. On a slow month, I watch four movies. A fast month? I can watch ten. And I don't have to worry about storing them (I buy three more DVDs, I'll need new furniture. That day isn't too far off, since I like buying DVDs, but still. 273 DVDs? A lot of furniture)

Or, anyway, a cut so slim, it is hard to notice.

Agitating for their rights and then stealing movies -- I dunno. Not much of a moral high ground there.


Nutty - Jan 27, 2005 8:20:54 am PST #1288 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

And while the WASPs still have their happy little world they're they only one who gives a damn about it anymore -- nobody else reads the "socitety" pages or gives a darn who this years most stunning debutante is besides the parties in question.

Really?? Then why is Paris Hilton on television all the time? (AFAIK, she has both money and WASP pedigree. And most importantly, an eagerness to be noticed.) I don't personally read the society pages, but the existence of People Magazine and InStyle and Extra! all imply to me that a fascination with richer people than you or me is still a wildly popular activity.

There is certainly a segment of the US that is way rich and doesn't give a shit about fame and doesn't get profiled on VH1 "It's good to be..." But that's because profiles of people who are not into fashion and conspicuous consumption and sex in public are kind of boring.


Betsy HP - Jan 27, 2005 8:20:54 am PST #1289 of 10002
If I only had a brain...

Also, once you do make that much dough, people of the correct colour making that much dough aren't any more enlightened than their poorer brethren -- tales I've heard make it sound even worse.

And a rich, famous black man still can't get a cab in many cities.

I just checked. The 1925 Phantom is out of copyright. Nobody involved with the original gets a dime.


sarameg - Jan 27, 2005 8:21:12 am PST #1290 of 10002

You know, I know the sun position changes. I'm good with this. I watch sunsets. I know how quick the motion seems. But for some reason realizing I can see this movement in the form of a band of light moving across my screen is really amazing. I'm not talking "hey, it's on the other side now." I'm talking watch it inch across.


Scrappy - Jan 27, 2005 8:21:59 am PST #1291 of 10002
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

most non-whites are definitively stuck on the new money side

But most whites are stuck there too. The deck is still stacked much more heavily against non-whites crossing the divide, but it's still an awfully exclusive club.