Fred: So you don't worry that it's possible for someone to send out a biological or electronic trigger that effectively overrides your own sense of ideals and values and replaces them with an alternative coercive agenda that reduces you to a mindless meat puppet? Shopkeeper: Wow. People used to think that I was paranoid.

'Time Bomb'


Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


Frankenbuddha - Jul 13, 2007 7:47:41 pm PDT #9724 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I'm with Frank and Beverly

Well, you may be with me on Book and some other issues, but Wash's death, much as I hated to see him go, was just perfect in context for me. Those who note it as Joss killing the character most like him - them I agree with.


Tamara - Jul 13, 2007 9:32:13 pm PDT #9725 of 10001
You know, we could experiment and cancel football.

I have never understood the concept that Serenity wasn't Firefly. It was completely Firefly to me.


Kevin - Jul 13, 2007 10:50:05 pm PDT #9726 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

It's Firefly's universe and characters, but it's not the same format as the TV show. The TV show was about them being the underdogs, the people who never got anywhere except shit on and didn't have a hope in hell of changing that any time soon. Reavers were never seen and feared to fuck. Kaylee, River and Inara are all best friends. Serenity, Reavers are everywhere, River's killing them without much fuss, Mal's the hero taking down the Alliance -- all in the space of what would have been 3 episodes of Firefly. Kaylee, River and Inara don't even look at each other during the whole movie. Or speak to each other.

I think, in reality, in Firefly the characters took the forefront. Yes, stories were broken, but they appeared to be broken around the basis of how they'd effect the characters. Serenity seemed more of an attempt to shoe horn the Firefly characters into an action movie plot.

That said? I still love Serenity, despite it's flaws. And I mean, lurve. The core messsages speak to me in many ways (my favourite song of last few years? Joss Stone's Right to Be Wrong). But I keep it in a very different place in my mind to the show.


Polter-Cow - Jul 13, 2007 11:15:57 pm PDT #9727 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Hm. I agree with both Tamara and Kevin. Interesting.


Tamara - Jul 14, 2007 7:42:35 am PDT #9728 of 10001
You know, we could experiment and cancel football.

A movie is such a different storytelling format and Joss had such a BIG story to tell that some things got short shrift. They may not have been on the screen, but all the little family-like things we saw on TV still happened in the movie (or the version that played in my head).

I realize that only makes sense to me.

I need coffee.


askye - Jul 28, 2007 9:24:43 am PDT #9729 of 10001
Thrive to spite them

I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but if anyone has a High Def tv, Firefly is going to be on Universal HD, starting with the pilot. They'll be showing the entire series (from what I can tell).


Una - Jul 28, 2007 9:52:10 am PDT #9730 of 10001
when i die, please bake my ashes into a brick and use me to hit fascists.

They were playing that when I was home over Christmas, where my parents have all the necessary satellite/HDTV hardware (grad-student-me has bunny ears), and dayum I didn't think our crew could get any prettier, but they can!!


Beverly - Jul 28, 2007 11:40:41 am PDT #9731 of 10001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

My local cable co. declines to carry UHD. I think I'll go whomp on them some more.


askye - Jul 28, 2007 1:54:55 pm PDT #9732 of 10001
Thrive to spite them

shakes fist at Bev's cable company

Damn you! Cable company! Damn you!


Beverly - Jul 28, 2007 2:00:33 pm PDT #9733 of 10001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

We had Universal HD for about a week, and then kerblooey. I've called them a couple of times to request it, but they seem less than eager to acquiesce to my request.