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Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


ColinG - Apr 14, 2007 6:45:52 am PDT #9606 of 10001

I personally think Allyson is just absolutely pragmatic on this point (in a very insightful way). Universal could have given 2 cents over pretty much anything the fans did, except buy DVD's in such large quantities that they saw an opportunity to make some money by making a movie.

Some People also seem to believe that "Star Trek" came back to the big screen because of conventions and fan belief (the write in campaign did help at the time it was on the air, but it was a very different day). It had more to do with the ratings the original show got in syndication, and the fact that "Star Wars" was a box office smash. The companies that make these shows are in it for the money, and there's far more to be made by having my grandma (or other non sci-fi person) sit and watch Star Trek 4 than by making "Fan Favorite" movies. They want them to be popular.


Kevin - Apr 14, 2007 6:48:44 am PDT #9607 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Universal had Serenity in production long before the Firefly DVDs even came out.


Ginger - Apr 14, 2007 6:53:40 am PDT #9608 of 10001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

What I'm struck by is that Allyson's book is already the subject of an academic paper, even before it's out. I expect dissertations eventually.


Kevin - Apr 14, 2007 6:56:21 am PDT #9609 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Hee. To be clear, I think the quotes they use from you are fine in that article, Allyson, because you are, in my opinion at least, right.

It took me several attempts to watch "Done The Impossible" all the way through, and it still makes me a little crazy that a movie studio's marketing department have actually written history. Everybody thinks a fan marketing campaign lead to Serenity. In reality, I don't remember fans even asking for a movie.


§ ita § - Apr 14, 2007 7:25:59 am PDT #9610 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

That Allyson. She's so greedy. Wanting money when the Done The Impossible folks are contributing to charity.


Simon - Apr 14, 2007 2:39:49 pm PDT #9611 of 10001

Everybody thinks a fan marketing campaign lead to Serenity.

An artificially created mind set seems to be keeping the fandom together more than anything else at the moment. Plus it helps strengthen the "them against us" mentality (in regards to other fandoms) that is becoming more and more prevalent. I thought phrases like 'We hold', 'The Cap'n says' and 'We are mighty' were kinda cute at the beginning. Not so much these days.


Topic!Cindy - Apr 14, 2007 3:16:35 pm PDT #9612 of 10001
What is even happening?

Yeah, now they're a little sad.


Zenkitty - Apr 14, 2007 3:49:15 pm PDT #9613 of 10001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Yeah, you know, I love the show a lot, and I was crushed when it was cancelled, but... it's been years. It's over. They've moved on to other things. It's time to stop stalking it and go find a new girlfriend.


Topic!Cindy - Apr 14, 2007 4:21:45 pm PDT #9614 of 10001
What is even happening?

Like, for instance, TV's hit, Drive.


Allyson - Apr 14, 2007 4:23:55 pm PDT #9615 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

That's a good point, ita. Maybe I should do something for charity, someday.