Do the two posts read to anyone else like a longer way of playing the blame game?

The convention fell through, because even though I work my ass off, and had wonderful ideas for saving it, my partner didn't live up to her end of the bargain.

That's exactly what I was going to say, well that, and that you smell like poo. Because you totally do.

Do the two posts read to anyone else like a longer way of playing the blame game?

Pretty much. Sounds like none of them have a clue what they're doing and both they and a ton of fans are out of a ridiculous amount of money because of it.

Vicki just posted and said her husband told her she was acting like a 12-year-old, so she intends to delete that post and asks that no one reposts it.

Of course, it's already spread most everywhere.

I also don't blame the Flan II 500 if they're even more angry now.

I also don't blame the Flan II 500 if they're even more angry now.

No kidding.

They are planning to sue, right?

Zenkitty, I've got a lawyer who's doing some free (at this point) consultation to see what the options are for peeps. They're a business asset lawyer type person.

The general feeling at the moment, however, is that it might not be worth it. We know they owe a *LOT*, as they've got the Flan tickets, the lifetimers, the actors, Neptune Noir and Booster Bash 2 people they owe money to. It's going to be high 6 figures, or low 7 figures. They got a bunch of loans, and (if I believe them) a mortage secured on Denise's house (yes, THAT was sensible).

Obviously, the creditors would come first in bankruptacy. In terms of physical remaining assets of the company... well... I don't think they have any. Even if fraud was proved in court, that would just put the money back from the indiviual it's gone to back into the company pot to be divided out.

At the moment, because the two owners aren't speaking to each other, they aren't doing bankruptacy. But they will have to, because VISA is going to rape them for all these charge backs. It's a crazy situation. I predict the owners will loose houses or suffer serious financial problems due to inability to run a business like a business, and the fans will get very little back after a long fight.

As horrible as I think BE's actions were, I would hate to see anyone lose her home over this. I don't think they deserve to be in business, and although I'm not holding my breath, I want the attendees to get some money back (the Hilton will survive, and it's not like it cost the actors anything, they didn't get paid, but there is a difference).

Kevin, have the ticket holders gathered anywhere to report and tally up what they paid for this event (ticket price and all their add-on tickets)?

At the BE forum, I've since seen the (lowest) ticket price mentioned as $229.00, so the rock bottom take-in would have been $114,500.00 ($229 x 500 attendees). Since there were different passes (more expensive = more access to the actors), and there were add-ons for things like photo-ops, additional autograph ops (possibly; that was unclear), a cocktail party, a dinner, and I don't know what else, the figure has to be higher. Upstream here, someone floated the figure of $125,000.00, but my guess is that's too low, as well.

It would be interesting to see what sort of money BE took in. I would love to know how much they had, going into the cancelation, too.

I have nothing at stake but curiosity here, but I would dearly love to know if all that money went to paying for previous events which did not pay for themselves, or if it is lining some hidden pocket.

Well, they had at least two undersold events and a canceled one.

I have read that a star like Nathan gets twenty to thirty-thousand dollars, for an event like this. If you have 3 or 4 big stars at two undersold cons, you can see how a lot of that money would get eaten up. If you have a handful of less expensive stars there two, you can imagine the hole getting deep, awfully quickly.

Supposedly, this Vicki paid Bruce Campbell out of her own pocket, for one of the earlier cons. I haven't seen Denise dispute that, so I do think it's totally possible they just suck at business, and suck at coming clean and admitting failure, and suck at facing reality, until it is beyond too late. They probably got themselves into such a hole, they needed to keep having cons, in order to continue getting in money.

I'd still hate to see them lose their homes, though.

I have read that a star like Nathan gets twenty to thirty-thousand dollars

I vaguely recall that David Boreanaz got somewhere around £100,000 to £150,000 for one of his UK conventions a couple of years back. Big money.