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Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


Zenkitty - Nov 01, 2006 9:26:10 am PST #8971 of 10001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

What I don't understand - and this is for my own edification; I'm not defending either party - is what's legally wrong with creating and selling for profit a work that is inspired by a copyrighted work, as long as the work itself does not include copyrighted images, characters, or text.

Art inspires art, and artists make profit of their art. How is Susan making a t-shirt that says "I find Serenity in Jayne's guns" with a picture of a Vera-looking gun and a couple Chinese characters (she didn't, as far as I know) and selling it illegal? She complied with the C&D, so why can't she continue to sell Serenity-inspired work?


Mikey - Nov 01, 2006 9:41:58 am PST #8972 of 10001
All this time, I thought Hunter was a bitch. Turns out she was just hungry.

All that seems to be the sort of thing that'll keep lawyers employed. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out. At least it's not more talk about some fan-financed Serenity sequel.


Kevin - Nov 01, 2006 9:46:27 am PST #8973 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Mikey: hey, I'm just setting up the website for that as it happens. It's going to be called doingtheimpossibler.com. Paypal your money now to scam@doingtheimpossibler.com, folks!

I still can't believe Universal are on about doing Doom II. My soul weeps.


Nutty - Nov 01, 2006 9:57:11 am PST #8974 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

what's legally wrong with creating and selling for profit a work that is inspired by a copyrighted work, as long as the work itself does not include copyrighted images, characters, or text.

Well, there's trademarking too, which covers a lot of logos and images, and trademarking works in the "it looks kinda like" fuzzy areas where copyright law does not.

Here's an illustration of trademarking: say you want to put out a cheap, abbreviated guide to the Chicago Manual of Style. It's not the actual manual, just a quickie guide to how to use it in your classes. That's perfectly legal: you're not violating copyright law if you write it all yourself and make up all your own examples and nowhere claim to be the Real Actual Chicago manual.

But if you put out this booklet with an orange cover, the Chicago people might sue. (That shade of orange, in the context of The Chicago Manual of Style, is trademarked, I am pretty sure.) An orange booklet with "Chicago manual" on the cover could be confused with the real McCoy, and might interfere with the real McCoy's ability to make a profit. Never mind that the real McCoy is 1000 pages and your little booklet is 100 pages. If the real McCoy people someday want to put out their own little mini-Chicago booklet, which they have every right to do, your published booklet with an orange cover could be confused with theirs.

So publish your booklet with a green cover, that can't be confused with the real McCoy in any way, and you'll be safer from lawsuit.

Similarly, these t-shirts sound like they're virtually indistinguishable from what Universal might put out, and if Universal has trademarked the Serenity logo and the characters' names, then the confusingness alone is legal basis enough to inspire legal action.


aurelia - Nov 01, 2006 10:19:46 am PST #8975 of 10001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

I'm looking at a design that has the ship in "let's moon 'em" position. In a corner it has a symbol (something more like @ than ©, but not quite either) followed by "2005 11th Hour."


Kevin - Nov 01, 2006 10:20:37 am PST #8976 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

They don't hold any trademarks on Serenity stuff, for info. (I did a search on the Trademark Electronic Search System).

However, they do sell licenses for these things, and the license holders are within their rights to sue Universal if they allow, for example, shirts which should come under the official license to be produced.


Liese S. - Nov 01, 2006 10:37:20 am PST #8977 of 10001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Let's put it this way. If she had put out that shirt, without Serenity the movie existing, then no one would have bought it. The interest that was created in her materials came from the corporately created and owned film in question.


Kevin - Nov 01, 2006 10:47:25 am PST #8978 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

She's a professional artist by trade, and makes money from shirts not related to this fandom, I believe.


Liese S. - Nov 01, 2006 10:51:53 am PST #8979 of 10001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Fewer people would have bought it? I'm assuming that the Serenity fanbase is larger than her shirt clientele?


Kevin - Nov 01, 2006 11:00:59 am PST #8980 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Well, of course fewer people would have bought it. I don't think -- just my opinion -- she would contest that the designs were aimed at Firefly/Serenity fans. However, people on this very website wrote in a book called "Finding Serenity". Should Universal retroactively invoice those folk?