Lydia: Its removal from Burma is a felony and when triggered it has the power to melt human eyeballs. Giles: In that case I've severely underpriced it.

'Potential'


Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


Typo Boy - Jun 04, 2006 7:40:48 pm PDT #8595 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Gus - so the issue of how a creator gets paid for her work is trivial? It is Marxist to notice that writing a book or painting a picture is work? It is Marxist to note that if people are not paid for that work they won't do much of it? It is Marxist to note that if they are paid for it someone has to do the paying and thus must forgo other things they could have paid for and thus must be offered a way to determine that it is worth paying for?

Please make a proposal whole human being to whole human beings. But please remember that it takes whole human beings time to create art, and they need you know to eat and pay rent and stuff. Please remember that composition is not the final step in creating art and that other whole human beings taking additional steps need to eat. Finally remember that art is also about connecting with other human beings; and that if the artist is to have time to create that art, someone else must do the job of connecting that art to an audience, and that this someone also has to eat.

Please make a concrete proposal - one that does not include "then a miracle occurs" as one of the steps. To make it easy make it for one type of creative work - novels, short stories, music .. whatever. Explain how we can have a better system for getting those produce - better for the artist and better for the audience. And this is not snark. I'm quite convinced we can - something that does not involve WindSparrow's fear. But I'm curious to see what you have in mind. Or if all you have is intution I'll be disappointed, but understanding. It is just that from the certainty with which you spoke I was convinced you had a concrete plant; I've been a little impatient cause I thought you had this great idea and were teasing us rather than reveal it. If you were just sharing an intuition then the amount of detail I've put into these posts was rather overkill.


CaBil - Jun 05, 2006 10:27:02 am PDT #8596 of 10001
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

Any talk about the Firefly comic LS set during the series with Joss co-writing?


Tamara - Jun 05, 2006 10:34:49 am PDT #8597 of 10001
You know, we could experiment and cancel football.

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There you go, CaBil.


Typo Boy - Jun 05, 2006 11:36:21 am PDT #8598 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I still wish there was some way the Brust book could be approved by Mutant Enemy. Can't they just say "give us x percent of the gross and make sure it says AU on the cover".


KernelM - Jun 05, 2006 1:57:57 pm PDT #8599 of 10001
Ankh-Morpork Watchman, Dreamer, Scooby, Minister of Grace, Still Flyin' in a Zoo2 World

I'm pretty sure there's a lot more people than just Mutant Enemy that would have to sign off on it. Pocket Books and Universal, at least, I would think.


Consuela - Jun 05, 2006 3:03:39 pm PDT #8600 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Ah, well. Fiction wants to be free.

I wouldn't be surprised if, once he's convinced it's unsellable, it shows up somewhere somehow.

t optimistic

He won't be the first or the last professional novelist who wrote fanfic for the love of it.


KernelM - Jun 05, 2006 3:28:17 pm PDT #8601 of 10001
Ankh-Morpork Watchman, Dreamer, Scooby, Minister of Grace, Still Flyin' in a Zoo2 World

Shh. Don't let Lee Goldberg know.


Gus - Jun 05, 2006 4:33:15 pm PDT #8602 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

Ah, well. Fiction wants to be free.

Yes. You can not stop the signal. Joss and Tim would both trade in those bajillions for an assurance that their words have lit the way.

Okay, not all of the bajillions. Two. They would have traded two bajillions.

All right. One. One bajillion. This is my final offer.


CaBil - Jun 05, 2006 7:42:56 pm PDT #8603 of 10001
Remember, remember/the fifth of November/the Gunpowder Treason and Plot/I see no reason/Why Gunpowder Treason/Should ever be forgot.

Sorry Tamara, I was just wondering if anyone had discussed it here or not...


Tamara - Jun 05, 2006 9:42:53 pm PDT #8604 of 10001
You know, we could experiment and cancel football.

CaBil, there is better discussion at whedonesque, but you probably already know that.