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Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


Topic!Cindy - Jan 25, 2006 6:06:36 am PST #7709 of 10001
What is even happening?

The tombstones were Chinese, putting photos of the dearly departed on the grave markers. Since there were about two words of Chinese in the whole movie, I don't know why they went this way. The rocks are a Jewish thing, so I guess it was more of the mixing cultures. Besides, where would they get flowers?
You see this in the US too (and I'm going to go out on a limb and say it is among non-Chinese from the names I'm seeing on the headstones, in a community made up overwhelmingly of people from western Euro descent). I also don't care for that either, but the moving picture quality of it in Serenity took tacky to a whole new level, and took me out of what I think would have been a more emotion-evoking scene (for me). I'm acquainted with the rocks (in fact do this myself). I just thought the scene sucked, when it had so much potential to be great. Thinking it sucked had nothing to do with not being familiar with pictures on headstones or leaving rocks. It just cheapened what could have been a visually stark scene.

I don't care if Simon's agreed to have sex with Kaylee, he's still not straight. But I'm happy for Kaylee.

With loads of time between watcing FF and seeing the film, I thought movie!Simon read totally straight. But he was more appealing regardless of orientation, because he didn't seem so...I don't know...pointless, as he struck me during the series.

How does a planet of 30 million people go away and no one notice?

The Alliance noticed. They were hiding it. Who else would notice? Wasn't the only way there through Reaver territory?

Has anyone, like, I dunno, Focus on the Family, gone all Kitten on Joss for killing the happily married straight white man?

I'm not sure I understand this comment. There's a pretty big Christian constituency of FF/Serenity, fwiw. I've seen plenty of Buffistas (including myself) be disappointed that one half of a healthy, happy, sexy couple was killed off, though. Between his death and Book's, I'm far less interested in seeing more.

And, since I watched it on DVD, has anyone else seen the outtake of Nathan embroidering his lines at Haven? I laughed so hard I cried. Of course, that was probably partially an emotional release.

I watched most of the bonus thingies after I watched the DVD. I can't remember this. Do you remember where it was, Raq?


Volans - Jan 25, 2006 7:18:45 am PST #7710 of 10001
move out and draw fire

The Alliance noticed. They were hiding it. Who else would notice? Wasn't the only way there through Reaver territory?

Miranda was a viable planet, and apparently not all that long ago. The Reavers weren't there until after the Paxocaust. Presumably someone in the 'verse had family on Miranda, or business partners, or something.

I could be looking for continuity where there's none, but if the Alliance was originally the core worlds of the system, and Miranda is on the edge of the system (either stated or implied when discussing the Reaver Belt), Alliance control of it would have happened post-Unification (in the absence of any statement to the contrary). Unification happened in the not-too-distant past.

I'm not sure I understand this comment.

It was a sideways slam at the Kittens. People got so freaking weird about Tara's death, with the whole "Joss hates lesbians" thing, and while many folks seem disappointed about the destruction of the Hot Married Couple, I haven't seen a big internet rage of "Joss hates married men." The comment wasn't supposed to be about FF/Serenity or Christian fans as much as it was me saying again how irrational the whole Tara thing was.

The thing with Nathan was towards the end of the Outtakes section. Here's the description: Mal's doing his planning walk through the remnants of Haven, tosses Simon the rope and instructs him and Zoe to gather some bodies. "Put Reverend Book front and center; he was our friend, we should honor him." Then to Kaylee, "Find that little kid who's taking a dirt nap, you know, the baby Jesus. We need a hood ornament." Jewel can't keep a straight face at that. Then Nathan shouts to Jayne, "Hey Jayne! Try not to steal all their shit!"

On the planet?

Yeah, looked pretty rocky. And if they have trouble getting fresh fruit...still, some cactus flower or sage or something would've been nice.


§ ita § - Jan 25, 2006 7:20:43 am PST #7711 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Yeah, looked pretty rocky. And if they have trouble getting fresh fruit...still, some cactus flower or sage or something would've been nice.

I work in an area that's pretty rocky that also has flowers. I'm sure that can still happen in the future. And I'm not talking cacti or sage either. Or, for a special occasion, I could get them from somewhere else.


sj - Jan 25, 2006 7:40:05 am PST #7712 of 10001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Miranda was a viable planet, and apparently not all that long ago. The Reavers weren't there until after the Paxocaust. Presumably someone in the 'verse had family on Miranda, or business partners, or something.

I thought that they were told that the atmosphere failed and everyone died as a result.


Kalshane - Jan 25, 2006 7:43:10 am PST #7713 of 10001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

My take is Miranda was straight-up settled by the Alliance with a specific purpose. We see buildings and infrastructure that are associated in the 'verse as "Central Planet", rather than "Border Moon". The Alliance setup Miranda to one be a testing ground for the pax, and two, be a staging ground for upcoming Unification. If the pax was successful, they could just supply special new filtration systems to the Independant planets and there would be no need for a war. If it failed, they'd still have a base of operations on the far side of the Independant sphere, making dealing with inevitable resistance easier.


Kalshane - Jan 25, 2006 7:44:13 am PST #7714 of 10001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

I thought that they were told that the atmosphere failed and everyone died as a result.

Right, pretty sure there were a couple lines about the terraforming not holding.


bon bon - Jan 25, 2006 7:46:02 am PST #7715 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

They musta got the flowers from the flower store. The one that has its own greenhouse.

I don't remember what the flowers looked like; were they obviously not from the desert?


§ ita § - Jan 25, 2006 7:50:33 am PST #7716 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

They musta got the flowers from the flower store. The one that has its own greenhouse.

They weren't in the Sahara. They were in SoCal. You're never that far from some non-desert flowers.


bon bon - Jan 25, 2006 7:52:01 am PST #7717 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I must have written like I meant the opposite. I meant that the desert planet probably had a flower store, just like we would have everywhere else.


tommyrot - Jan 25, 2006 7:52:09 am PST #7718 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

You're never that far from some non-desert flowers.

That might have been true for the SoCal that Was....