Zoe: My man would never fall for that. Wash: Most of my head wishes I had.

'Our Mrs. Reynolds'


Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


Jesse - Oct 21, 2005 8:53:46 am PDT #6843 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

What's the difference between hotlinking and regular linking?

I think I know this one -- what you hotlink a photo, it uses bandwidth whenever someone loads the page. If you put a link to it, people have to click through, so it only uses the host site's bandwidth when people look at the photo on purpose.


Jesse - Oct 21, 2005 8:56:56 am PDT #6844 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

The thing with this discussion is, it's not about the generally acceptable rules of netiquette. Those are a floor. Though it's perfectly fine to discuss those in general, it doesn't get one anywhere w/r/t hewing to the norms here.

And I meant to say this, too -- what's generally ok in the wider world is not necessarily ok here. It's like if everyone in a certain small town says hello when they pass someone on the street. Just because I'd never do that where I live doesn't mean I won't be considered rude if I don't do it there.


Frankenbuddha - Oct 21, 2005 8:57:42 am PDT #6845 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Sorry, I just had to slap your hand now for this one, F.

I was hoping somebody would comment on that. That was my first glimpse into the ugly side of fandom, before I was actually participating in any, and it made me give a lot of things a wide berth for a while.

What's the difference between hotlinking and regular linking?

I'd like to know this too. Is it something you have to go out of your way to do? If so, I don't care as much, but I'd hate to do it accidentally if it's such a bad thing.


KernelM - Oct 21, 2005 8:58:35 am PDT #6846 of 10001
Ankh-Morpork Watchman, Dreamer, Scooby, Minister of Grace, Still Flyin' in a Zoo2 World

Hotlinking is using inline images (or even possibly video, I guess) in your own page/post which point to an outside source. So if, say, I put up a photo essay about Firefly on my hypothetical website, but all the image links were to still-flying.net, that would be hotlinking. And it's a big no-no because it's sucking somebody else's bandwidth without any kind of acknowledgement or original context.

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KernelM - Oct 21, 2005 9:06:20 am PDT #6847 of 10001
Ankh-Morpork Watchman, Dreamer, Scooby, Minister of Grace, Still Flyin' in a Zoo2 World

And as such, it has a lot of unspoken norms.

And my point is that perhaps those unspoken norms should be made more explicit. I saw nothing in the FAQ or etiquette guide about linking to here.

In this case, the offender was somebody who actually posts and reads regularly. What if it was somebody who stumbled upon the site? Doesn't even have an account?


§ ita § - Oct 21, 2005 9:08:25 am PDT #6848 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

And my point is that perhaps those unspoken norms should be made more explicit

You don't think they're pretty explicit now? XXXplicit, even?


Allyson - Oct 21, 2005 9:09:40 am PDT #6849 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Here's a visual aid:

This is a douchebag from myspace.

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Notice that amulet in the "about me" description?

It's hotlinked from my Wolfram & Hart Charity Auction page.

What he did was enter the URL for the picture, and uploaded that to his myspace site.

So everytime someone goes to his page, they're actually loading my page, as well. He's stealing my bandwidth.

Now, he COULD just right click on the picture, save the image to his hard drive, and then upload it. Doesn't suck bandwidth from me. Is rude in that he's not crediting where he got the picture, but it's not a daily assfucking.


amych - Oct 21, 2005 9:11:18 am PDT #6850 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Eww. I wonder whose bandwith ze's ganking on the bad music?


Dana - Oct 21, 2005 9:12:19 am PDT #6851 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

I'd like to point out that Allyson's examples have 200% more ass in them than mine.


Kevin - Oct 21, 2005 9:19:21 am PDT #6852 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Hotlink protection is quite simple to implement - a quick Google will get you a .htaccess file which will stop all hotlinking to a site working.

I'm not arguing against unspoken rules, by the way. This site is owned by whoever runs it, and whatever the decide, it's their right, as it's their site. I have no mission to change things here, as I'm simply not arsed. (Coincidentially, one of the reasons I like here is the fact there's no bolding of names or colours - I haven't a clue who runs here, and don't care, and that's the way it should be IMHO).

My example of hotlinking a page: the time Universal pointed SerenityMovie.com's screening page at my site instead of doing their own web page. Also, the image of Summer Glau on CantStopTheSignal.co.uk appears to have had 9000 hotlinks so far this month. Go Summer!