I'm supposed to deliver you to the Master now. There's this whole deal where I get to be immortal. Are you cool with that?

Xander ,'Lessons'


Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


WildDemon Cornelius - Feb 11, 2005 10:42:51 pm PST #664 of 10001
Take your fingers off it, don't you dare touch it, you know it don't belong to you, to you...

Agreed. Hasn't changed my burning passion for Jayne Cobb. ;-D On the other hand, my passion for Dennis Miller has turned into pity and revulsion.

Way to summarize my own feelings. I used to love "Dennis Miller Live" (remember the "news") and gradually grew annoyed and disgusted by his increasingly pro-war, pro-Bush, anti-civilization (he really ticked me off when he expressed contempt for those who cared about Iraq's artifacts and museums; hey Dennis, do they call wherever you're from "the cradle of civilization"?), and anti-common sense and compassion views. It was like, before, sure he was cynical, but he was cynical in a biting, anti-authoritarian, tell-it-like-it-is way, but after 9/11 he became cynical in a "everyone hates each other, let's just kill all these brown people" way. The alternate reality explanation is as good as any. Oh to go where W. lost in 2000...

Oh, getting back to Firefly...uh...yeah. Great show. Cancelled too damn soon. Can't wait for the movie.


Mikey - Feb 12, 2005 1:32:11 pm PST #665 of 10001
All this time, I thought Hunter was a bitch. Turns out she was just hungry.

Oh, getting back to Firefly...uh...yeah. Great show. Cancelled too damn soon. Can't wait for the movie.

Gee, do ya think?


reequeen - Feb 12, 2005 1:46:38 pm PST #666 of 10001
"It's got to be the hair, Cotton. It's beautiful! Feathered and lethal. You just don't see it nowadays." Pepper Brooks - Dodgeball

Busted!

Dangit! Here I was, thinking I was being discreet.....mumble, mumble, mumble....

hey Dennis, do they call wherever you're from "the cradle of civilization"?

Not since the New Regime's Revisionist History Project, wherein all things "civilized" come from these here United States. Y'know, English, the Bible, Democratic Theory, Voodoo Economics....


Gandalfe - Feb 12, 2005 10:12:52 pm PST #667 of 10001
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.

Not since the New Regime's Revisionist History Project, wherein all things "civilized" come from these here United States.

And nothing bad or immoral has ever happened here, except for that gay plague. Seriously, I'm reading obituraies of Arthur Miller, and they're barely MENTIONING the whole HUAC hounding. Makes baby Jesus cry. In order to avoid it, some are even going so far as to not talk about The Crucible.


P.M. Marc - Feb 12, 2005 10:31:21 pm PST #668 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Seriously, I'm reading obituraies of Arthur Miller, and they're barely MENTIONING the whole HUAC hounding.

You must be reading different obits than I am, 'cause there's three things in every single one I've read so far:

  • Death of a Salesman
  • HUAC/The Crucible
  • Marilyn Monroe

Seriously, it's all, "Blah blah blah, Death of a Salesman at age blah, fallout with blah over naming names, HUAC, The Crucible, Marilyn, break, The Misfits, divorce, Death of a Salesman revival blah blah blah." And it's not the usual case of Standard AP Copy. These are the obits they trot the actual writers out for--they're just all covering the same three things.

Sometimes, they manage to work in the part where The Crucible deals with HUAC *and* the temptations of a young, nubile (read: Monroe) woman, and if they're feeling really ambitious, they also work in After the Fall and the negative reaction to it, but I haven't seen one that doesn't highlight HUAC.


tommyrot - Feb 12, 2005 10:33:54 pm PST #669 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

My memory is iffy on this... but did they talk about his son's death during WWII due to a defective aircraft part or something, and how that inspired a play that I forgot the name of?


P.M. Marc - Feb 13, 2005 7:27:47 am PST #670 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

My memory is iffy on this... but did they talk about his son's death during WWII due to a defective aircraft part or something, and how that inspired a play that I forgot the name of?

The play would be All My Sons, but Miller was in his 20s for WWII, and his first marriage was in 1940, so he wasn't drawing from his own life for that.


tommyrot - Feb 13, 2005 7:38:01 am PST #671 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

OK, then the death of the son is what happened in the play, right? The father was a military contractor that sold defective parts during the war IIRC, and his son dies as a result?

eta: anyway, since Miller didn't actually lose a son, that explains why that "fact" was not mentioned....


P.M. Marc - Feb 13, 2005 7:40:15 am PST #672 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Tommyrot, I think that's the basic premise. It's a Miller I've never read nor seen, though.


tommyrot - Feb 13, 2005 7:42:54 am PST #673 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Part of my brain is telling me that play was based on an Ibsen play. The Master Builder, maybe?