You know, I just... I woke up, and I looked in the mirror, and I thought, hey, what's with all the sin? I need to change. I'm... I'm dirty. I'm, I'm bad with the... sex and the envy and that, that loud music us kids listen to nowadays.

Buffy ,'Lessons'


Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


dcp - Oct 09, 2005 12:27:58 am PDT #6122 of 10001
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.

where exactly does the term "fanwank" come from?

Fanwank


manzo - Oct 09, 2005 1:18:10 am PDT #6123 of 10001
If we're really lucky, they'll do it in that order...

Cheers! I had a quick google, but that brought up fanwank, rather than an explanation for it. I couldn't quite work out the link to wank, other than "That explanation is completely wank"! But stroking the ego works for me. As a concept, I hasten to add. ;)


Topic!Cindy - Oct 09, 2005 3:16:16 am PDT #6124 of 10001
What is even happening?

Originally, fanwank was used to describe elements of the (canonical) story that existed for no other reason than to please the fans--usually a reference to a past storyline. In some fandoms (esp. this corner of ours) it has taken on the meaning described in that TVwiki link (although the TVwiki definition is the meaning I intend when I use it) but that's not the original meaning.

added in edit...

This is a better explanation of the original meaning of fanwank than the one I provided above:

fanwank - This term has its roots in very crude slang. It describes a story in which the writer is showing off intricate knowlege of the series by pulling in as many threads from the series continuity as possible and tying them together. Fanwank pays homage to the writer (rather than the series) for being so clever. Other, non wankish stories can artfully weave new ideas in with series continuity and tie them all together in a way that makes the reader go "Wow!" But fanwank relies on cleverly arranging continuity rather than creating a good plot.
--reference: [link]


Theodosia - Oct 09, 2005 4:18:27 am PDT #6125 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Retcon is an older and less crudely expressed concept, and is distinguished by being actually canonical.


Foxhunter - Oct 09, 2005 4:28:32 am PDT #6126 of 10001
When we kill people it makes the policemen flustered and stern.

On Reaver-Pax: Just rewatched Bushwhacked for the second time since seeing the movie and the Paxed ship thing still works for me (at least as well as some of the other things we're asked to believe in the series/movie) if you can assume a short (hours? days?) active half-life for Pax in atmosphere so that our heroes don't get Paxified when they unsuit. I thought about that when Mal was cracking his cap and what a different story it'd be if the Pax were still active.

Placemats revealing River and Simon: This makes me smile every time because I've seen law enforcement officers act like that in real life. Looking inside a breadbox for a suspect or flipping through a notebook while searching for stolen stereo equipment, I guess it's part of the training. I think the scene would maybe have been less without that. And the reveal to the outside of the ship with our sibling-pair is ALWAYS beautiful. The look of unabashed delight on River's face, the look of fear on Simon's, they whole prettyness of it makes me want to watch it again. If the shot had included the big cruiser hanging over their heads looking like it's ready to crush them just for being so insignificant I think I'd need a towel.

The episode still creeps me out and it's hard to watch, but that's what makes it so good. Oh, wanna watch it again... OiS first, then another Bushwhacked. Then I need to see the movie again. I'll be in my bunk.


Trudy Booth - Oct 09, 2005 5:35:36 am PDT #6127 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

When it comes (no pun intended) to differences between the movie and the Firefly backstory, I just view it as something that had to be done for the sake of the story and pacing of the movie, and leave it at that.

To me that's the most important thing. "Show don't tell" is one of the basic tenants of good story telling, particularly if you don't have a bunch of time for things to unfold. Opening the film with Simon busting out River (particularly the way they showed it, with the time-shift, which made me happily uneasy with thoughts of "IS this happening or WAS this happening" through the opening of the film) was so hugely dynamic and pulled the audience right into the story. HOW Simon busts out his sister is so much less important than THAT Simon does it. Sure he's a little less prissy now, but he's still a naive rich overly-tidy boy taking on the world that created him and running for his life.


§ ita § - Oct 09, 2005 5:35:57 am PDT #6128 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Retcon is an older and less crudely expressed concept, and is distinguished by being actually canonical.

Retcon and fanwank aren't related, though.

A fanwank is something I do to explain something that doesn't make sense. A retcon is something the creator does that messes with our previous (perfectly reasonable) interpretation of canon.


Kate P. - Oct 09, 2005 6:37:44 am PDT #6129 of 10001
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

I thought a retcon was something the writers did to explain a previously unexplained continuity error? Still not the same thing as fanwank.


Kat - Oct 09, 2005 6:53:18 am PDT #6130 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Not related to fanwank nor retcon, there was a long piece in the LA Times today about the effort of keeping productions in the LA. They wrote extensively about Serenity as an example of this. I loved the picture of the cantilevered mule on a truck.


manzo - Oct 09, 2005 8:31:05 am PDT #6131 of 10001
If we're really lucky, they'll do it in that order...

In brighter news:

American BO figures for Saturday- only around a 40% drop from last Saturday, which after Friday's poorer showing is a nice surprise.

I'm trying to get an actual source for that.

ETA: [link]