Haven't you killed me enough for one day?

Mal ,'War Stories'


Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


Foxhunter - Oct 09, 2005 4:28:32 am PDT #6126 of 10001
When we kill people it makes the policemen flustered and stern.

On Reaver-Pax: Just rewatched Bushwhacked for the second time since seeing the movie and the Paxed ship thing still works for me (at least as well as some of the other things we're asked to believe in the series/movie) if you can assume a short (hours? days?) active half-life for Pax in atmosphere so that our heroes don't get Paxified when they unsuit. I thought about that when Mal was cracking his cap and what a different story it'd be if the Pax were still active.

Placemats revealing River and Simon: This makes me smile every time because I've seen law enforcement officers act like that in real life. Looking inside a breadbox for a suspect or flipping through a notebook while searching for stolen stereo equipment, I guess it's part of the training. I think the scene would maybe have been less without that. And the reveal to the outside of the ship with our sibling-pair is ALWAYS beautiful. The look of unabashed delight on River's face, the look of fear on Simon's, they whole prettyness of it makes me want to watch it again. If the shot had included the big cruiser hanging over their heads looking like it's ready to crush them just for being so insignificant I think I'd need a towel.

The episode still creeps me out and it's hard to watch, but that's what makes it so good. Oh, wanna watch it again... OiS first, then another Bushwhacked. Then I need to see the movie again. I'll be in my bunk.


Trudy Booth - Oct 09, 2005 5:35:36 am PDT #6127 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

When it comes (no pun intended) to differences between the movie and the Firefly backstory, I just view it as something that had to be done for the sake of the story and pacing of the movie, and leave it at that.

To me that's the most important thing. "Show don't tell" is one of the basic tenants of good story telling, particularly if you don't have a bunch of time for things to unfold. Opening the film with Simon busting out River (particularly the way they showed it, with the time-shift, which made me happily uneasy with thoughts of "IS this happening or WAS this happening" through the opening of the film) was so hugely dynamic and pulled the audience right into the story. HOW Simon busts out his sister is so much less important than THAT Simon does it. Sure he's a little less prissy now, but he's still a naive rich overly-tidy boy taking on the world that created him and running for his life.


§ ita § - Oct 09, 2005 5:35:57 am PDT #6128 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Retcon is an older and less crudely expressed concept, and is distinguished by being actually canonical.

Retcon and fanwank aren't related, though.

A fanwank is something I do to explain something that doesn't make sense. A retcon is something the creator does that messes with our previous (perfectly reasonable) interpretation of canon.


Kate P. - Oct 09, 2005 6:37:44 am PDT #6129 of 10001
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

I thought a retcon was something the writers did to explain a previously unexplained continuity error? Still not the same thing as fanwank.


Kat - Oct 09, 2005 6:53:18 am PDT #6130 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Not related to fanwank nor retcon, there was a long piece in the LA Times today about the effort of keeping productions in the LA. They wrote extensively about Serenity as an example of this. I loved the picture of the cantilevered mule on a truck.


manzo - Oct 09, 2005 8:31:05 am PDT #6131 of 10001
If we're really lucky, they'll do it in that order...

In brighter news:

American BO figures for Saturday- only around a 40% drop from last Saturday, which after Friday's poorer showing is a nice surprise.

I'm trying to get an actual source for that.

ETA: [link]


manzo - Oct 09, 2005 8:31:47 am PDT #6132 of 10001
If we're really lucky, they'll do it in that order...

Oh, and thanks for clearing up the whole fanwank/retcon thing. It's now as clear as mud! ;)


Mr. Broom - Oct 09, 2005 8:32:46 am PDT #6133 of 10001
"When I look at people that I would like to feel have been a mentor or an inspiring kind of archetype of what I'd love to see my career eventually be mentioned as a footnote for in the same paragraph, it would be, like, Bowie." ~Trent Reznor

Retcon can do either--it can be for the sake of explaining a continuity error or just to expand the story in a certain direction (sometimes in ways that people feel are screwing with canon). Retcon isn't defined by intention so much as act; it's when a writer inserts something into a canon's past that wasn't an explicit part of that past to begin with.


Kate P. - Oct 09, 2005 8:44:04 am PDT #6134 of 10001
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Retcon isn't defined by intention so much as act; it's when a writer inserts something into a canon's past that wasn't an explicit part of that past to begin with.

Ah, that makes sense (it's "retroactive continuity", after all). Thanks.


DebetEsse - Oct 09, 2005 9:03:43 am PDT #6135 of 10001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

And for the exam, define the following:

They jossed my fanwank with their retcon, but it seemed pretty fanwank-y to me.

You have 30 minutes. Keep your eyes on your papers and bring them to the front when you're done.