Is that discussion by misdirection so rare that it's that easily traceable to a single genesis?
Wash: Mal, your dead army buddy's on the bridge! Zoe: He ain't dead. Wash: Oh.
'The Message'
Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains
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§ ita § - Oct 07, 2005 7:56:20 am PDT #6038 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
DavidS - Oct 07, 2005 7:58:41 am PDT #6039 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Is that discussion by misdirection so rare that it's that easily traceable to a single genesis?
It's a common strategy, I would think, but that is probably the most famous instance of it.
I can't think of another one that works as well or goes on as long.
Though Nutty is of the opinion that it's cheesy.
§ ita § - Oct 07, 2005 8:00:54 am PDT #6040 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
The instance or the mechanism?
DavidS - Oct 07, 2005 8:01:57 am PDT #6041 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
The instance or the mechanism?
That particular Big Sleep example. Perhaps because it goes on so long. We'll have to ask her.
§ ita § - Oct 07, 2005 8:03:44 am PDT #6042 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
How long does it last?
DavidS - Oct 07, 2005 8:09:12 am PDT #6043 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
The exchange in question:
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Vivian: Speaking of horses, I like to play them myself. But I like to see them workout a little first, see if they're front runners or come from behind, find out what their whole card is, what makes them run.
Marlowe: Find out mine?
Vivian: I think so.
Marlowe: Go ahead.
Vivian: I'd say you don't like to be rated. You like to get out in front, open up a little lead, take a little breather in the backstretch, and then come home free.
Marlowe: You don't like to be rated yourself.
Vivian: I haven't met anyone yet that can do it. Any suggestions?
Marlowe: Well, I can't tell till I've seen you over a distance of ground. You've got a touch of class, but I don't know how, how far you can go.
Vivian: A lot depends on who's in the saddle.
DavidS - Oct 07, 2005 8:10:05 am PDT #6044 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
So, not very long it's just an extended conceit.
And here I can see that they do apply it directly to each other, rather than leave that aspect unspoken.
§ ita § - Oct 07, 2005 8:10:42 am PDT #6045 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Isn't that "just" innuendo?
DavidS - Oct 07, 2005 8:12:32 am PDT #6046 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Isn't that "just" innuendo?
Probably so in that instance.
But still that's what the Serenity scene pinged for me.
Zenkitty - Oct 07, 2005 8:31:43 am PDT #6047 of 10001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.
I was left with the impression that the Operative would commit suicide. Probably in a ritualistic fashion with his sword.