I was left with the impression that the Operative would commit suicide. Probably in a ritualistic fashion with his sword.
Everything looks good from here... Yes. Yes, this is a fertile land, and we will thrive. We will rule over all this land, and we will call it... 'This Land.' I think we should call it 'your grave!' Ah, curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal! Ha ha HA! Mine is an evil laugh! Now die! Oh, no, God! Oh, dear God in heaven!
Wash ,'Serenity'
Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains
Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.
Zenkitty - Oct 07, 2005 8:31:43 am PDT #6047 of 10001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.
MechaKrelboyne - Oct 07, 2005 8:37:10 am PDT #6048 of 10001
... and that's a Pantera's box you don't want to open. - Mister Furious
I was left with the impression that the Operative would commit suicide. Probably in a ritualistic fashion with his sword.
That's what "There is nothing to see." delivered with that tinge of sadness might lead one to believe. Or maybe the Big Damn Sequel (Or Little Damned Pilot Mark II) will open with The Op walking away from a garbage can with a burning sword in it. Operative ... NO MORE!
Foxhunter - Oct 07, 2005 8:44:50 am PDT #6049 of 10001
When we kill people it makes the policemen flustered and stern.
...have him leave his job because of finding faith rather than losing it.Many levels of yes on this one, Mr. Broom. Joss always was good with the whole symbolic dichotomy schtick.
Not even naughty Words.Good bible.
Kathy A - Oct 07, 2005 9:01:19 am PDT #6050 of 10001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil
And groovy. We KNOW the shepherd was once groovy.
Now I'm thinking about the Serenity crew eating a batch of hash brownies (classic Barney Miller ep, with Ron Glass's character getting reaaaaally stoned in a hilarious way).
DavidS - Oct 07, 2005 9:08:46 am PDT #6051 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Now I'm thinking about the Serenity crew eating a batch of hash brownies (classic Barney Miller ep, with Ron Glass's character getting reaaaaally stoned in a hilarious way).
Mooshi mooshi.
Frankenbuddha - Oct 07, 2005 9:25:27 am PDT #6052 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Mooshi mooshi.
Let's go down to the beach and shoot some clams.
And Abe Vigoda's final line in that ep was hysterical.
Narrator - Oct 07, 2005 11:10:01 am PDT #6053 of 10001
The evil is this way?
And it was?
Kate P. - Oct 07, 2005 11:48:49 am PDT #6054 of 10001
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love
Man, JZ's post about Wash just made me cry. *sob*
When the operative says he's a monster, and that his job is to make this better world that he believes in, but that he will have no place in it, he's basically articulating the last scene of The Searchers.
It made me think of Frodo at the end of The Return of the King: "We did save the Shire, Sam. But not for me." It doesn't map perfectly, but that's what it brought to mind.
sumi - Oct 07, 2005 11:50:46 am PDT #6055 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!
Well, the difference would be that the Operative didn't think it would be for him -- even when he thought that he could help create that perfect world.
libkitty - Oct 07, 2005 12:08:44 pm PDT #6056 of 10001
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs
Now I almost wish I could see the preview again to see what of my reaction to the finished version is editing and recutting and adding, and what is just me being successfully manipulated by cleaner visuals and a soundtrack.
I didn't see the preview, and had the same reaction on my third viewing, last night, so I wonder if part of it might be just from rewatching. I like the second time much better than the first, and the third almost a level of magnitude better than the second. Everything makes so much more sense to me. I think it was improved for two reasons:
1) There was so much going on so much of the time, and the actors and writing are so damn good, that I just missed a lot of the subtleties the first, and even the second, time.
2) A lot of the discussion here has been really insightful, and has allowed me to sort out various things that I had problems with initially. This is especially true of the characters near the beginning. Last night, my only major problem was with the tombstones, which bug me more and more each time I see them. They are so cheesy, which is perhaps appropriate for Mr. Universe, but not for anyone else.
As a side note, does anyone know what the fourth tombstone, with the piece of gun or ship or whatever, was for? Some friends suggested Serenity, but they fixed Serenity, so that doesn't make sense to me.
It rewards repeated viewing. There's a lot in it.
Wrod. I'm hoping to go again tonight, and definitely Sunday matinee. I've got to say, though, that I don't envy JZ and Hec, because I really think that watching this on IMAX would just kill me. I would be the one puking in the aisle. Whitefonted for ick factor.