I'm not actually sure, but better safe?
Where's the praising and extolling of my virtues? Where's the love?
Host ,'Not Fade Away'
Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains
Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.
Allyson - Oct 02, 2005 10:01:03 am PDT #5590 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 02, 2005 10:05:13 am PDT #5591 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Scrappy - Oct 02, 2005 10:05:34 am PDT #5592 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.
I agree, Allyson.
Allyson - Oct 02, 2005 10:08:59 am PDT #5593 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
Some people need to be brained with a pink hammer, though.
Consuela - Oct 02, 2005 10:10:50 am PDT #5594 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix
I went to a 7 pm show on Saturday in the Bay Area and the theater was 95% full. Big crowd, and applause at the end, so I suspect there were a lot of fans there.
I enjoyed it. Didn't love it to death omg, and I see some problems inherent in the structure, but I'm basically happy. It wasn't possible to make a movie that would have pleased a non-fan and a fan audience equally, but they did the best they could.
The 13-year-old certainly liked it, although she needed some of the plot twists and characters explained to her. She thought it was scary and fun.
I understand the meta behind killing Wash: I think it was a smart move, both for the movie and for the possibility of the franchise. It hurt the characters and the fans, and Wash and Book's deaths gave the cast a little breathing room for the future: 9 is too many for a movie, really.
What I don't understand is the personal rage and sense of betrayal that I've seen exhibited in some responses. Good stories hurt. That's what they do. Good stories surprise and challenge. Killing Wash off was a narrative choice inherent to the form, and while I can understand why people were shocked, horrified, and grieving, I'm afraid I don't understand why people are announcing that they'll never watch the sequel, will "never trust Joss again", and that sort of thing.
Ah, well. Anything that pleases everyone would be so mushy as to have no value in it, so.
Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 02, 2005 10:11:39 am PDT #5595 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Oh, the reason I popped back in was that I just started watching my tape of the SciFi special about Serenity, and Ron Glass looked reassuringly hale and hearty in it too. Maybe he was just lit/made up extremely harshly in his scenes for some reason?
Polter-Cow - Oct 02, 2005 10:12:10 am PDT #5596 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
It was not the series--Mal was back to the darker, more bitter Mal that Joss originally wanted and Fox made lighten up. He basically ended up in the same emotional space at the end of the film that he was in the beginning of the series, but that didn't bother me.
I wonder how much of the changes in character we could handwave as "six months passed." Simon's greater assertiveness, I can definitely buy with that. Mal's reversal of his notion that Simon and River are very much a part of his crew takes a little more. But maybe things happened in those six months that hardened Mal up again. And I know Joss has said he doesn't want a prequel, but a movie set in that time would have Wash. But it wouldn't allow Mal to learn Book's secret.
Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 02, 2005 10:14:31 am PDT #5597 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
It might allow us to learn Book's secret though, so I'm all for it regardless of Mal being left in the dark. ;-)
Polter-Cow - Oct 02, 2005 10:15:01 am PDT #5598 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
Hee. Yeah, that's what I thought too, Matt.
Katie M - Oct 02, 2005 10:15:13 am PDT #5599 of 10001
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies
He basically ended up in the same emotional space at the end of the film that he was in the beginning of the series, but that didn't bother me.
Yeah, it did bother me a little--I felt like I'd already seen this story, or something. Like the characters had all been smacked backwards, without me getting to see how. And I was able to get around that by separating off the series and the movie in my head--the different Simon-and-River backstories helped there--but it was a little disorienting.
I think that in some ways, that arc might've worked better for me if I hadn't watched the show. (Though I think I still would've bounced off of everyone else going along on Mal's suicide mission a little bit. Didn't believe that for a moment.)