it would be fuck Hamilton, chuck Jefferson, marry Adams.

Oh I agree. Except I'd hold out for Samuel. Q. has all the glory, but Sam = free beer.

They must have wanted the show to suffer, I can see no other reason.

When I learned Firefly was on FOX I was both hopeful and fearful. I'd been down that road once before with Space: Above and Beyond. It got a full season but ended with a cliffhanger before getting cancelled. Damn, I never got over that one.

I'd been down that road once before with Space: Above and Beyond. It got a full season but ended with a cliffhanger before getting cancelled. Damn, I never got over that one.

I was a fan of that one as well. Thank goodness it's coming out on DVD.

Oh, funnily enough: Customers interested in this film were also interested in these films:

Serenity Theatrical Release ~ Nathan Fillion

I remember Space Above & Beyond being a big favorite at The 11th Hour.

See what I'm saying. In the founding father's fuck, chuck and marry, it would be fuck Hamilton, chuck Jefferson, marry Adams.

Kat, I love you.

Not in the Lori-chasing-me-with-an-axe way or anything like that, but I think that's the funniest thing I've seen all day.

I should see if our library has the Hamilton bio and/or 1912 : Wilson, Roosevelt, Taft and Debs -The Election that Changed the Country.

I am so unimpressed with Jefferson.

Yeah, he kind of sucked. What an arrogant jackass.

I mean, the Declaration of Independence was pretty and all (albeit VERY inspired by many other works, as is well-known in historical circles), but the dude was VIOLENTLY anti-Constitution. Despite the fact that the Articles were clearly not working. At all. In any sense. That's just stupid, and I have no respect for it.

Plus, he supported at least a few of the Really Stupid Phases in France.

Plus, yeah, slave-owner.

fuck Hamilton, chuck Jefferson, marry Adams.

What, no love for Ben Franklin (the only president who was never president)?

boxofficeguru.com [link] predicts Serenity could open with $16M this weekend. They also predict Corpse Bride will fall to $12M, and Flightplan will fall to $15M. Into the Blue should reach $11M, and A History of Violence should hit $7M.

I heard that the Serenity previews will be counted in its first week box office. If they get counted for the weekend then I've contributed $40 to that.

eta: dw in Bitches sez that Flightplan is estimated to have exceeded Serenity on Friday.

dw "Spike's Bitches 26: Damn right I'm impure!" Oct 1, 2005 5:07:07 pm PDT

I think that estimate was done before the start of the weekend. Friday night's box office looks to be 3.9-4.2M, depending on what site you're using, which would put it on track for a $12-13M weekend and the #2 slot behind Flight Plan.

ETA: Or, you know, pretty much what dw said.

Yesterday, I read through and forgot most of what I wanted to respond to, hence today's meara:

Jayne is there in a suit.

I'm with AnthonyDe on this one. I thought it was Mal the first time I saw it. After reading about Jayne here, I watched carefully, and it was Mal. His earlier comments were just audio, so there was no continuity problem, anyway not there.

I had more trouble with Mal saying Simon wasn't crew than with Simon declaring his desire for Kaylee in what might well have been his last moments.

Oh, one thing that really jerked me back was everytime Mal threatened to ditch the crew. That OOC, I blinked at.

This really bothered me throughout. Part of what made Firefly so special to me was Mal's loyalty to his crew. If there were any doubts previously, Ariel and Objects in Space clearly showed that both Simon and River were part of the crew.

She's psychic and super intelligent so it's not surprising that she'd know how to fly, or at least the first parts.

I'm not sure what the psychic bit has to do with her being able to fly, but the brilliant part, as well as her knowledge of ships and love of space (as shown in pilot!Serenity and Bushwacked) makes her piloting the ship make sense to me.

A lot of people (self included) feel that the Operative's storyline was intended to give us a glimpse into Book's back story. One person mused that she wasn't sure she liked the notion of Book as a sociopath like the Operative, but that perhaps that was the whole point: that anyone, even the worst person alive, could be redeemed in the proper circumstances.

Although I saw the similarities and felt the connection, I hadn't really thought this out until I read Plei's explanation. This makes perfect sense to me, and I think it's likely to be the closest thing we get to an explanation for Book. This feels like a gift to fans to me. Like thegrommit, I appreciate the symmetry. Although I would like to see Book's actual story, I'm glad that Joss included,

Mal: "you'll have to tell me about that one day"

Book: "No, I really don't."

Otherwise, I would be longing for it and looking for it in future movies/tv. Now, I can take the Operative connection and be mostly satisfied.

But after they landed, the Reavers were still coming after them. Wasn't the thing that killed Wash something that was fired at Serenity by the Reavers? That's what I thought and it made perfect sense. Somebody had to die in that fight. Wash biting it the way that he did was awesome because in most movies, you'd expect the death to be during a great battle scene. This was unexpected but totally believable in the storyline. This is what Joss is fucking fantastic at - doing the unexpected but having it be a believable part of the story he's telling.

I liked Wash's death because it wasn't noble and heroic. There was no sacrifice. It was just a shitty thing that happened, the same way shitty things happen every day. It made it a lot more real to me than Book's hanging-on-to-life-to-give-inspiring-speech type death.

The bitchslap put more life into my fiction, and for me, not in a bad way.

I am with Gloomcookie, Jars, ita and Sparky. Wash's death tore me up the first time I saw it. I hated it, and wished there were more time to grieve. But it made perfect sense to me, both for this movie and for future ones. On rewatch today, I realized that there was a pretty big pause there for grief, too. It wasn't big enough. It couldn't be. Just like it couldn't be for Zoe, Mal or the rest of the crew. I wanted to cry when I was watching it, but there just wasn't time. Now, writing this, I'm finding that I'm getting weepy.

As the credits were rolling, a little girl passing down the aisle next to me turned to her mom and asked "why did they cancel it?" The mother immediately replied "because they're idiots!" Good times.

Damn straight.

Whenever I see the odd review that claims Joss's tv roots are showing in the feature "Serenity," I think, "weird, 'cause (continued...)