A year and a half ago, I could have eviscerated him with my thoughts. Now I can barely hurt his feelings. Things used to be so much simpler.

Anya ,'Dirty Girls'


Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 01, 2005 1:31:04 pm PDT #5512 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

He looked fine last February, so between then and whenever his scenes were shot for Serenity he's apparently gone through some rough times.


sarameg - Oct 01, 2005 1:57:06 pm PDT #5513 of 10001

Oh, one thing that really jerked me back was everytime Mal threatened to ditch the crew. That OOC, I blinked at.

I was skeptical a movie was a good idea. I didn't see what it could deliver in such a format that would continue the spirit I liked in the show.

And now I'm going to go soak my fingertips in acetone.


Tim Minear - Oct 01, 2005 2:10:51 pm PDT #5514 of 10001
"Don' be e-scared"

I saw Ron at the opening and he looked his usual, robust and healthy self. I have heard nothing to suggest he wouldn't be healthy enough to do another show, for instance. The guy's got way more energy than I do, at twenty years his junior.


Narrator - Oct 01, 2005 2:13:35 pm PDT #5515 of 10001
The evil is this way?

The guy's got way more energy than I do, at twenty years his junior.

Well, you're evil and he's not.


Sue - Oct 01, 2005 2:15:10 pm PDT #5516 of 10001
hip deep in pie

I saw Ron at the opening and he looked his usual, robust and healthy self.

I guess his dying acting is just too darn good.


Topic!Cindy - Oct 01, 2005 2:18:07 pm PDT #5517 of 10001
What is even happening?

I heard last year some time that he had had a bout of ill health, which has remained unconfirmed though is supported by his appearance in Serenity. He is looking much older than his true 60 years in the film. From these clues I made the assumption, but we can always hope I heard wrong.

I saw Ron at the opening and he looked his usual, robust and healthy self. I have heard nothing to suggest he wouldn't be healthy enough to do another show, for instance. The guy's got way more energy than I do, at twenty years his junior.

Yeah. I'm not seeing anything anywhere about Ron Glass, Foxhunter. Maybe he had the flu or something?


Kat - Oct 01, 2005 2:31:55 pm PDT #5518 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

I realize I'm alone in that I didn't like it at all, enough to have thought about leaving, but I'm slightly comforted in seeing people discuss it without saying it was the greatest thing since Empire.

No. you aren't alone. I'm in that boat too. I thought about leaving because I have a one hour attention span for anything I don't love or anything I'm in public for (though I almost got through Monsoon Wedding in one sitting last night and would have if I hadn't needed to walk the dogs).

Some very smart lady upthread (can't remember whom and am too tired to search) said that it's sad to feel like Joss can't be trusted to write alone. At the end of the movie, that's exactly what I was thinking.

It reminded me of an Indigo Girls' interview where Amy Ray responded to the question about solo projects this way: "If it's just me, then it's too much Amy and if it were just Emily, than that would be too much Emily. But we balance each other out."

I think that Joss needed a balance for this one. Someone to say, "Eh? Speehifying? Maybe too much."


DebetEsse - Oct 01, 2005 2:43:38 pm PDT #5519 of 10001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

I see the problems people have with the movie. I do. And I share some of them (Mal's lack of "The Crew is family" foremost among them, at this point). But, over the course of the day, I've started liking it more and more, as a self-contained movie, as a continuation of the series, and as a starting place for a new story (I'd be fascinated to know if plans for the next story were already in place while this one was being made).

And I want to see it again.


Foxhunter - Oct 01, 2005 3:51:22 pm PDT #5520 of 10001
When we kill people it makes the policemen flustered and stern.

Glad to hear I was wrong about Ron, I guess he just really sold me with his 'aging into fragility' acting. I just found it hard to believe the thin, elderly Book on the big screen was ;ess than a year ago the healthy, powerful Book who disabled Dobson so readily in the first Serenity. He really is an amazing actor, had everyone I saw the film with convinced he was ailing. Speaking of acting, I introduced a new friend to Firefly last night. Halfway through he commented, "Wow, this is some damn fine acting." Followed 10 minutes later by "I'd watch network TV if it was like this."


Theodosia - Oct 01, 2005 4:16:40 pm PDT #5521 of 10001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

We ran into my friend Julia's friend Susan at the show last night -- after talking to her for about 15 minutes, listening to her enthuse about the characters, we realized she not only hadn't seen the original series, she hadn't know it existed. So I have proof that at least one total newbie could come to the movie, follow it and like it lots.