And now my boy's in love. All hearts and flowers. But, doesn't it freak you out that she used to change your diapers? I mean, when you think about it, the first woman you boned is the closest thing you've ever had to a mother. Doing your mom and trying to kill your dad. Hm. There should be a play.

Angelus ,'Damage'


Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


Ash - Oct 01, 2005 8:59:23 am PDT #5460 of 10001

I was about to post those same two appearances of the co-pilot's chair, but Tim beat me to it. I was scratching my head, wondering whence the fuss....

Since when was Book Mal's spiritual counselor?

Um, always? At least, that's the way I saw him in the series. Mal might not have seen it that way, but Book certainly did, particularly after his conversation with Inara at the end of the [real] pilot.

We got the Mal that Joss originally wanted for the series before Fox told him to cut it back.

This was how I saw him in the film. Mal, as he would have been if Fox had never been silly. As if.

The River being able to fly Serenity did bug me, But I'm torn between them having to find a new pilot (and add a new face to the crew, which I'd rather not have happen) or having someone onboard step-up. Of the two, the latter is the better option, though I'm going to miss Wash terribly.

Yes, this did kind of throw me, but I kind of see it this way.


askye - Oct 01, 2005 9:00:19 am PDT #5461 of 10001
Thrive to spite them

I liked River as co pilot. She's psychic and super intelligent so it's not surprising that she'd know how to fly, or at least the first parts. She isn't shown as an expert at flying. I felt it was River finding her place in the Serenity family and being accepted as a full person and not being the crazy fugitive to be worried over and hidden. It definitly felt more in line with the end of Objects in Space and the final scene with Mal and River.


§ ita § - Oct 01, 2005 9:01:22 am PDT #5462 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Why was the point to deal an emotional bitchslap?

It knocked me out of my sense of complacency and surface comfort in my ability to protect myself by second-guessing the plot. The bitchslap put more life into my fiction, and for me, not in a bad way.


Steph L. - Oct 01, 2005 9:05:43 am PDT #5463 of 10001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

It knocked me out of my sense of complacency and surface comfort in my ability to protect myself by second-guessing the plot. The bitchslap put more life into my fiction, and for me, not in a bad way.

Huh. Okay, I can see that. It didn't do that for *me*, but I can see how it would for other people.


Jars - Oct 01, 2005 9:09:20 am PDT #5464 of 10001

I got spoiled for Wash's death a few hours before seeing the film, along with a friend of mine. We talked about nothing else (except whose the other death might be) and I remember asking who'd fly Serenity with Wash gone, at which point we both said "River!" at exactly the same time. So it wasn't so much of a surprise when I saw that.


askye - Oct 01, 2005 9:10:31 am PDT #5465 of 10001
Thrive to spite them

As much as I didn't want to see Wash die I liked his death. I liked that he died from the direct threat and danger of the Reavers, I think I would have been angry if he'd died randomly from Serenity crashing.


P.M. Marc - Oct 01, 2005 9:12:16 am PDT #5466 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Bringing up something that came up in the comments in someone's LJ...

A lot of people (self included) feel that the Operative's storyline was intended to give us a glimpse into Book's back story. One person mused that she wasn't sure she liked the notion of Book as a sociopath like the Operative, but that perhaps that was the whole point: that anyone, even the worst person alive, could be redeemed in the proper circumstances.

I, being flip, said something along the lines of "Only if they invoke the soul clause."

And then had a complete d'oh moment, when I realized that by making Book a shepherd, they kind of had, just not in the literal sense like on Buffy and Angel.


P.M. Marc - Oct 01, 2005 9:13:37 am PDT #5467 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Huh. Okay, I can see that. It didn't do that for *me*, but I can see how it would for other people.

I had a vague notion that something bad would happen to Wash, even though I was VERY good at keeping myself unspoiled for once in my life.

So I breathed a sigh of relief, then had my motherfucking guts torn out.


Zenkitty - Oct 01, 2005 9:16:19 am PDT #5468 of 10001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

If Book was indeed an Operative, and I think he was, I wonder what happened to change him?


Jars - Oct 01, 2005 9:19:43 am PDT #5469 of 10001

If Book was indeed an Operative, and I think he was, I wonder what happened to change him?

My theory on Objects in Space is that what River's seeing are snippets of the moments that made the characters who they are, and what brought them to Serenity. So Book's "I don't give a hump if you're innocent or not. So where does that leave you?" could be part of a case that made him see the error of his ways? What that case might be, who knows? Goose smugglers, maybe.