On my seventh birthday, I wanted a toy fire truck, and I didn't get it, and you were real nice about it, and then the house next door burnt down, and then real firetrucks came, and for years I thought you set the fire for me. And if you did, you can tell me!

Xander ,'Same Time, Same Place'


Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


DebetEsse - Sep 30, 2005 5:28:07 pm PDT #5347 of 10001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

Just got back. Nearly-full theater. Lots of geeks (I cannot recall the applause points, but they were there)

You know, if I hadn't liked it so much, I would be really upset that Joss broke my positive female role model who had the hot married sex.

Not that I'm not at least a little upset.

I just don't know where they can go from here. I mean, how do you..top?...this? I can't imagine anyone else's story having this scope. So, they keep on fighting the Alliance? Yes, and? But, I'd go see the next one, eagerly.

I adored all the little moments (intentional or not) that echoed the series. Was the sex-having in the Engine Room. Please? Also, Mal falling to the ground compused exactly like Out of Gas especially struck me. Actually, that's when I knew that they really were going to get out of it, and they hadn't been pulling our legs with the "three movies" and it wasn't all in River's head, or anything like that. I was really upset when they "killed' the ship. I was more upset when they killed Wash. I'm sad we won't get Book's story (though I bet we could, by proxy, next time around. He just won't be the one to tell it. [see what I did with the quote and the meta?]).

Mr. Universe can easily have fandom read onto him, good and bad, IMO. Intended, I don't know, but it's not a big stretch. I mean, what are we known for if not seeing everything and loving something that isn't "real".

I'm not sure how broken River's still supposed to be...

And I really wanted the series theme in the music over the bit at the end.

That's all I've got at the moment.


Zenkitty - Sep 30, 2005 5:30:41 pm PDT #5348 of 10001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

They did the series theme at the very very end of the credits, only different and without the singing. (Except for the hardcore fans in the audience stubbornly singing it.) I know nothing about music; I can't even describe how it was different; but at least it was there.


dcp - Sep 30, 2005 5:39:10 pm PDT #5349 of 10001
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.

So. Back from seeing Serenity.

I enjoyed it. I didn't love it. The visuals and the story-telling were very dense. A lot happened very quickly, and there was no time to really appreciate it or think about it. Instead of being left with "Wow, that was great! I'm sorry it's over. I want some more!" I ended up mostly thinking "Waitaminute! What?"

Or maybe I'm just slow.

Either way, I will like the DVD better, with the luxury of being able to pause, slo-mo, rewind, contemplate, and savor.


dcp - Sep 30, 2005 5:46:55 pm PDT #5350 of 10001
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.

how it was different

It was the voice line alone, done instead on guitar.


DebetEsse - Sep 30, 2005 6:28:25 pm PDT #5351 of 10001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

I must stay through next time, then. My seeing-mates were getting antsy.

Was there a continuity problem for anyone else with what Simon knew from the brak out vs. what he claimed to know (and what he claimed happened) to get River out in the series? Or is my internal narrative just getting jossed?


§ ita § - Sep 30, 2005 6:30:02 pm PDT #5352 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

It might be possible to wank around it, but it does look like a retcon.


DebetEsse - Sep 30, 2005 6:33:15 pm PDT #5353 of 10001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

It's funny. That one bugged me, but that none of the current reavers are probably the originals (and therefore, all of them were "converted"), given the whole radiation thing, didn't. And, if anything, just made it more effective. Although I guess that isn't a jossing so much as a clarification of possible assumptions, based on Bushwhacked


Allyson - Sep 30, 2005 6:41:27 pm PDT #5354 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Or is my internal narrative just getting jossed?

We got punk'd, yeah.


amych - Sep 30, 2005 6:45:25 pm PDT #5355 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Action Simon bugged because he was very much a different character than Original Simon (and not really interestingly so). The reavers were a fleshing-out of something that had been very much vagued up in the first place.


DebetEsse - Sep 30, 2005 6:47:56 pm PDT #5356 of 10001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

Yeah, after that undercover, you'd think that the mud buyer would have been easy.