You're talking to Serenity. And, Early... Serenity is very unhappy.

River ,'Objects In Space'


Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


AnthonyDe - Sep 30, 2005 4:32:48 pm PDT #5343 of 10001
A One that isn't cold, is scarcely A One at all.

Holy Shit Quotient

Ah thanks! Now I use the term "Geek Out Moment" but I think it's different. A geek out moment would be like when Yoda opened his robe and force pulled the light saber into his hand and lit it up for the first time. At that point you knew Yoda was about to do damage. It's more of a highly anticipated fan moment. For some it could be when a couple they've been shipping finally hooks up.

I'm struggling to find one in Serenity for me. There were a lot of nice little moments though. I like the "if you can't do something smart, do something right moment" where Jayne scoots the Blue Sun drink over to Simon. With that gesture it's kind of like Jayne saying "even though I think you suck, I'll fight by your side." I also actually really liked the "leaf on the wind" stuff too. I like how Wash used it to psyche himself up.


§ ita § - Sep 30, 2005 4:33:43 pm PDT #5344 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

HSQ is the baddie into the turbine -- any "whoa! hard core! didn't see that coming!" moment.


Sheryl - Sep 30, 2005 5:08:52 pm PDT #5345 of 10001
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"

Just back from Serenity. Liked it a bunch. (was basically unspoiled for the whole thing, so Wash's death was a shock.)


evil jimi - Sep 30, 2005 5:11:39 pm PDT #5346 of 10001
Lurching from one disaster to the next.

HSQ is the baddie into the turbine

or shootin' the horse :)

moonlit was all for driving back to MG to see Serenity again. I was sorely tempted to say yes but the car isn't the healthiest and I didn't want to push it with another 220km round-trip.


DebetEsse - Sep 30, 2005 5:28:07 pm PDT #5347 of 10001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

Just got back. Nearly-full theater. Lots of geeks (I cannot recall the applause points, but they were there)

You know, if I hadn't liked it so much, I would be really upset that Joss broke my positive female role model who had the hot married sex.

Not that I'm not at least a little upset.

I just don't know where they can go from here. I mean, how do you..top?...this? I can't imagine anyone else's story having this scope. So, they keep on fighting the Alliance? Yes, and? But, I'd go see the next one, eagerly.

I adored all the little moments (intentional or not) that echoed the series. Was the sex-having in the Engine Room. Please? Also, Mal falling to the ground compused exactly like Out of Gas especially struck me. Actually, that's when I knew that they really were going to get out of it, and they hadn't been pulling our legs with the "three movies" and it wasn't all in River's head, or anything like that. I was really upset when they "killed' the ship. I was more upset when they killed Wash. I'm sad we won't get Book's story (though I bet we could, by proxy, next time around. He just won't be the one to tell it. [see what I did with the quote and the meta?]).

Mr. Universe can easily have fandom read onto him, good and bad, IMO. Intended, I don't know, but it's not a big stretch. I mean, what are we known for if not seeing everything and loving something that isn't "real".

I'm not sure how broken River's still supposed to be...

And I really wanted the series theme in the music over the bit at the end.

That's all I've got at the moment.


Zenkitty - Sep 30, 2005 5:30:41 pm PDT #5348 of 10001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

They did the series theme at the very very end of the credits, only different and without the singing. (Except for the hardcore fans in the audience stubbornly singing it.) I know nothing about music; I can't even describe how it was different; but at least it was there.


dcp - Sep 30, 2005 5:39:10 pm PDT #5349 of 10001
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.

So. Back from seeing Serenity.

I enjoyed it. I didn't love it. The visuals and the story-telling were very dense. A lot happened very quickly, and there was no time to really appreciate it or think about it. Instead of being left with "Wow, that was great! I'm sorry it's over. I want some more!" I ended up mostly thinking "Waitaminute! What?"

Or maybe I'm just slow.

Either way, I will like the DVD better, with the luxury of being able to pause, slo-mo, rewind, contemplate, and savor.


dcp - Sep 30, 2005 5:46:55 pm PDT #5350 of 10001
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.

how it was different

It was the voice line alone, done instead on guitar.


DebetEsse - Sep 30, 2005 6:28:25 pm PDT #5351 of 10001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

I must stay through next time, then. My seeing-mates were getting antsy.

Was there a continuity problem for anyone else with what Simon knew from the brak out vs. what he claimed to know (and what he claimed happened) to get River out in the series? Or is my internal narrative just getting jossed?


§ ita § - Sep 30, 2005 6:30:02 pm PDT #5352 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

It might be possible to wank around it, but it does look like a retcon.