Yeah, I see it as something of a backhanded compliment. Although not necessarily wrong, you know?
Atherton: Half the men in this room wish you were on their arm, tonight. Inara: Only half. I must be losing my indefinable allure.
'Shindig'
Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains
Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.
Consuela - Sep 30, 2005 8:19:56 am PDT #5276 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix
Kalshane - Sep 30, 2005 8:23:25 am PDT #5277 of 10001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why?
Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.
I'm willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt and assume he was referring to the original Highlander movie, not its sequels. He seemed to like it too much to mean the implied insult there.
Topic!Cindy - Sep 30, 2005 8:24:49 am PDT #5278 of 10001
What is even happening?
Yeah, is there anyone still here who hasn't seen Serenity yet?
Me. I'm thoroughly spoiled though, and don't care to have it any other way.
§ ita § - Sep 30, 2005 8:24:55 am PDT #5279 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
It read to me like he was discussing the phenomenon. To be honest, the first movie wasn't even that good. I mean, I liked it, but it never cried out to me to rewatch it.
joe boucher - Sep 30, 2005 8:29:25 am PDT #5280 of 10001
I knew that topless lady had something up her sleeve. - John Prine
OK, you know the idea that the "can't stop the signal" is a big Fuck You to Fox?
"Serenity Now!: Whedon Flips Off Fox in Clever Space-Western"
§ ita § - Sep 30, 2005 8:33:16 am PDT #5281 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Kalshane - Sep 30, 2005 8:44:35 am PDT #5282 of 10001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why?
Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.
It read to me like he was discussing the phenomenon. To be honest, the first movie wasn't even that good. I mean, I liked it, but it never cried out to me to rewatch it.
I love the original, though I realize it hasn't aged as gracefully as it could, and still re-watch it from time to time. I think, once they found their stride, the TV series was better, but the original movie is still a lot of fun and does a good job with the mythos and humor and how it does the transitions between the present and the flashbacks.
Mr. Broom - Sep 30, 2005 9:18:20 am PDT #5283 of 10001
"When I look at people that I would like to feel have been a mentor or an inspiring kind of archetype of what I'd love to see my career eventually be mentioned as a footnote for in the same paragraph, it would be, like, Bowie." ~Trent Reznor
The TV series will always have a place in my 17-year-old heart, but my 25-year-old mind has trouble getting over how godawfully formulaic it got. That's where the Firefly comparison really breaks down (or had better, because if it turns out to be prophetic, I don't want another series).
§ ita § - Sep 30, 2005 9:34:59 am PDT #5284 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
IMDB liked it enough to cull from the positives:
In her review, Manohla Dargis in the New York Times compares Joss Whedon's Serenity with George Lucas's Star Wars: Episode III -- Revenge of the Sith. Serenity comes out ahead. "Scene for scene," she writes, "Serenity is more engaging and certainly better written and acted than any of Mr. Lucas's recent screen entertainments. Mr. Whedon isn't aiming to conquer the pop-culture universe with a branded mythology; he just wants us to hitch a ride to a galaxy far, far away and have a good time." Jan Stuart in Newsday makes a similar comparison, remarking: "George Lucas could learn a thing or two from Whedon. Serenity flies with sass and spirit, qualities that have been in palpably short supply in that Star Wars series since, well, Star Wars." Roger Ebert in the Chicago Sun-Times also indicates that he had a good time watching the movie, writing: "Serenity is made of dubious but energetic special effects, breathless velocity, much imagination, some sly verbal wit and a little political satire." Elizabeth Weitzman in the New York Daily News notes that the movie appears to exist as a the final episode of Whedon's canceled Firefly TV series and because the show's fans "made the Firefly DVD set an unexpected best seller." She adds: "Whedon's sci-fi fantasies smartly parallel the serious issues we're grappling with here on Earth, while his protagonists remain mordantly funny in the face of utter disaster. Like Star Trek before it, the outer-space setting is perfectly suited to a big budget" movie.
Kalshane - Sep 30, 2005 10:09:11 am PDT #5285 of 10001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why?
Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.
I was into the series more for the characters than the storylines. I liked MacLeod and Dawson, and I loved Amanda and Methos. (And was filled with rage at what they did with Amanda in that crap spin-off The Raven and still don't understand why they didn't do the Methos Chronicles or even an anthology series instead.)