I'm with Beverly, Raq and Kiba!
Marco: Do we look reasonable to you? Mal: Well. Looks can be deceiving. Jayne: Not as deceiving as a low down dirty... deceiver.
'Out Of Gas'
Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains
Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.
sumi - Aug 26, 2005 4:51:22 am PDT #4502 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!
Polter-Cow - Aug 26, 2005 4:55:20 am PDT #4503 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
I'm with stupid!
Hey, someone had to be. He was lonely.
dcp - Aug 26, 2005 5:01:05 am PDT #4504 of 10001
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.
I'm on dial-up. Session 22 is about 6.5Mb. It's worth the time to download.
Polter-Cow - Aug 26, 2005 5:04:10 am PDT #4505 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
Oh, definitely. The transcripts don't do these things justice, really.
sfmarty - Aug 26, 2005 7:03:59 am PDT #4506 of 10001
Who? moi??
I realize I am missing some of the innuendo, but the transcripts are all I can get. Thank you, PC. Very much.
Zenkitty - Aug 26, 2005 9:32:08 am PDT #4507 of 10001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.
I'm with Beverly too. I always felt that Daddy Tam was uninterested in River, and basically sold her to purchase status or a good future for his soon.
It would not surprise me at all if they had planned to give River to the Alliance before she was even born. It would explain why neither parent ever became very attached to their daughter. Which I infer from the fact that River talks about home and her life there with Simon, but never mentions her parents (as someone already said). I imagine genetic manipulation conspiracy theories.
brenda m - Aug 26, 2005 9:49:12 am PDT #4508 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
Huh. I never really considered it in that light, though I did feel that by the time Simon was making waves, they'd moved up in the world and grown much more attached to their status.
Gandalfe - Aug 26, 2005 10:23:49 am PDT #4509 of 10001
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.
So, you're suggesting she was Ender Wiggined? I'd be a bit surprised by Joss ripping off that idea so blatantly. So blatantly, in fact, that it's not until 3 years later that we're figuring it out! Mwahahaha!
Mr. Broom - Aug 26, 2005 10:52:15 am PDT #4510 of 10001
"When I look at people that I would like to feel have been a mentor or an inspiring kind of archetype of what I'd love to see my career eventually be mentioned as a footnote for in the same paragraph, it would be, like, Bowie." ~Trent Reznor
But she does mention Daddy, and directly, in the very same episode: "Daddy will come and get us. And I'll get better."
I really don't see how it can be inferred from what we get of Mr. Tam in "Safe" that he knowingly sent River to be part of a horrible quasi-military experiment. I just don't buy it. The scene in which he speaks to the young ones shows him to be comfortably fatherly. He has one line to River, and it's not an unkind one. She's just not the subject of discussion at the time is all.
I'm not saying it's impossible that it could have led to future episodes in which it was revealed that their parents were in on the whole thing. I am saying that they don't give any indication that they'd planned to go that way.
Volans - Aug 26, 2005 11:20:09 am PDT #4511 of 10001
move out and draw fire
Well, it's possible that the Tams saw having a child in this program was very prestigious. I don't know that they would knowingly sell their daughter to be tortured, but they might develop a blind spot if it was a real status thing.