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Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


Kiba Rika - Aug 14, 2005 5:09:49 pm PDT #4253 of 10001
I may have to seize the cat.

While I enjoyed the movie immensely, and wanted to go see it again RIGHT AWAY, I did spend a good bit of it wishing instead that I'd gotten a bunch more episodes, because there are things you can do on TV that you can't do in movies, and I really like those things. (For one, fitting in 9 main characters is pretty much impossible in a movie. It was difficult on TV, but given time could be done.)


Cashmere - Aug 14, 2005 5:22:33 pm PDT #4254 of 10001
Now tagless for your comfort.

Nah. It's like I needed a little help making my last car payment, but didn't get any. Then my friends pooled their resources, and got me a night in a limo. The last car payment would have served me longer and better, but a limo ride is always swell.

Or like I was hungry and instead of teaching me to fish, somebody took me to Red Lobster.

I don't blame the movie at all. I blame Fox 100%. And when I see the movie, I'll be gushy and full of praise. I'd nearly forgotten most of my bitterness while waiting for the film. It's only natural that seeing what I love on the screen again is going to dredge it back up.

You know, if I saw my first true crush on the street again, I would love it. But it would still feel like I'd been kicked in the gut.

It's kinda like that.


Allyson - Aug 14, 2005 5:23:03 pm PDT #4255 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I don't think the fans were exploited.

Are. I think that Universal is capitalizing on the fans' desperation about the series getting canceled.

Hey kid, get "Serenity" tattooed on your forehead in Papyrus and we'll give you a hat. Costs them nothing, and sort of puts the onus on the fans to make sure the flick is successful, which I find kinda crappy. I'd feel better about it all if it were a true partnership, and the fans' efforts were matched by the studio. Instead of a hat, promise them a billboard in their city. The studio can afford it, and I think the fans would appreciate the backup.

My bitterness is more complex than the canceled show, though. And I'm sure I'll get over it. I mean, it's only been, what, three years? I need at least five to drop a grudge.


DavidS - Aug 14, 2005 5:32:52 pm PDT #4256 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Are. I think that Universal is capitalizing on the fans' desperation about the series getting canceled.

"Capitalizing" is what happens in capitalism. Of course they're going to stoke the fanbase. Marketing is bullshit. It's the definition of bullshit.

I really don't get how somebody as savvy as you are about this stuff, Allyson, can view it with such righteous indignation. You know it's a business. You know how much money is a stake. It doesn't happen on the scale of fandom and friendship and loyalty.


KernelM - Aug 14, 2005 5:38:26 pm PDT #4257 of 10001
Ankh-Morpork Watchman, Dreamer, Scooby, Minister of Grace, Still Flyin' in a Zoo2 World

90% of fan efforts I've seen and been personally involved with to promote the movie have had nothing to do with getting points or whatnot. It's all because we want this movie to be as successful as possible. Simple as that. That Universal benefits from this is incidental. Well, other than that we also want them to benefit so much that they'll want to continue to work with the 'verse.


Allyson - Aug 14, 2005 5:46:01 pm PDT #4258 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Hec, when have you ever known me not to be righteously indignant?

It's this:

Marketing is bullshit.

I feel something I did that gave me some measure of pride (we didn't save the show, but my god, that was a fantastic campaign) is tainted by the marketing bullshit. And it's probably not rational to feel that way. And yet, here I am, trying to scrub the stink out of my hair.


DavidS - Aug 14, 2005 5:55:18 pm PDT #4259 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Hec, when have you ever known me not to be righteously indignant?

It's part of your charm.

I feel something I did that gave me some measure of pride (we didn't save the show, but my god, that was a fantastic campaign) is tainted by the marketing bullshit. And it's probably not rational to feel that way. And yet, here I am, trying to scrub the stink out of my hair.

Well, I do think you were exploited a bit. Though you are willingly a point person for fandom and like the inside access and scoops and genuinely like the shows you push (even if it takes a few episodes as it did with Firefly).

I certainly see your relationship with Tim as a friendship, so I don't think it starts there. But once you're at a remove from personal relationships, you're exactly who I'd start with if I was finessing an alternative/underground marketing campaign. You're organized, you're loyal, you write well, you're respected. You get fans fired up about new shows before they arrive.

It's not like you're influential on a large scale, but a small army of Allysons (daunting thought, and you're irreproducible) is a marketers wet dream.

Is fandom exploited? I don't think so. You? Yeah, a little.


DCJensen - Aug 14, 2005 5:57:56 pm PDT #4260 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.

Andi (WindSparrow) and I just finished watching Objects in Space (Andi for the first time).

Then we couldn't stop, and watched deleted scenes, the 10th character, Joss' walk through, and wnything else we hadn't gone through. Pretty much just to keep it going. But when we were done we finally admitted we were done.

Andi still hates Fox, and we are both ready for this movie.


Eddie - Aug 14, 2005 6:15:59 pm PDT #4261 of 10001
Your tag here.

You know about the easter egg, right Daniel?


DCJensen - Aug 14, 2005 6:30:54 pm PDT #4262 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.

Yup. Showed that to her after The Message so the hat wouldn't be a surprise.