The whole earth may be sucked into Hell, and you want my help 'cause your girlfriend's a big ho?

Buffy ,'Chosen'


Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


Nilly - Aug 09, 2005 9:43:32 pm PDT #4130 of 10001
Swouncing

[Edited for finishing a paragraph in the former post. What's wrong with me, can't I post in singles in this thread? Anyway.]

text wins out over authorial intent

"Objects in Space" had a huge (um, much bigger than all the post, I'm afraid) meaning to me, in terms of Orthodox Jewish faith and way of life. I'm pretty sure none of the people involved has anything to do with that, and it's a completely personal way of reading the text, but there it was.


Beverly - Aug 10, 2005 2:02:46 am PDT #4131 of 10001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

I absolutely *love* seeing long Nilly posts in Firefly again. *Love*

However. Hem. I thought I was over it, that I'd moved on, as had everyone else, until SciFi started the reruns and here we come with the old "horses in space" shite again. People. What show are you watching? There are no horses in space. See? Never were. That would be stupid--how you gonna build a P-suit to fit a horse? There's *no sound* in space. There're horses *on the ground*. Because as no less an expert than Chris Judge says, when asked why SG1 always walks everywhere, "This is *television*. We don't have the budget to conceive and build a new vehicle" every time we touch down on a different planet.

Got it? No horses in space. Horses on the *ground*. Thanks.


evil jimi - Aug 10, 2005 3:26:23 am PDT #4132 of 10001
Lurching from one disaster to the next.

Yeah but Mal makes the distinction between the job and the person. He's openly said he considers companions and whores one in the same and has no real respect for all the frou frou surrounding companions--except where/when it can make him a profit. However, that doesn't mean he doesn't respect Inara the female person. The john in "Serenity", the father in "Jaynestown", the Boss Hog in "Heart of Gold", "Ath Wing", none of them respected the female person but they did have a grudging respect for the position b/c they felt it denoted some sort of status to be seen with, or fuck, a companion.


Gandalfe - Aug 10, 2005 3:46:38 am PDT #4133 of 10001
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.

There are no horses in space.

But there are cows.


Beverly - Aug 10, 2005 3:50:08 am PDT #4134 of 10001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

But there are cows.

True! So why is there no complaining about the cows, huh? Wouldn't you think people who are so averse to "a space western" would complain about *cows* in space, which would imply cow*boys* in space? But no, it's all, "no horses in space!"

Personally, I think it's that shot in the credits of Serenity buzzing the remuda. Just, nobody stops to think that the horses were running on terra firma. Or whateverplanet firma.


Frankenbuddha - Aug 10, 2005 3:52:16 am PDT #4135 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

So silly. Everyone knows the only animals in space are pigs.

Which reminds me again I need to pick up the Muppet Show 1st season that just came out.


Nilly - Aug 10, 2005 4:08:15 am PDT #4136 of 10001
Swouncing

Wouldn't you think people who are so averse to "a space western" would complain about *cows* in space, which would imply cow*boys* in space? But no, it's all, "no horses in space!"

Beverly, I love your rant.

Personally, I think it's that shot in the credits of Serenity buzzing the remuda.

Oh, I absolutely love that shot. The combination of old and new, the technology and the alive, while both of them look alive, in a way. The smooth bow trail of the ship, the flow forward - I absolutely love that shot.


sumi - Aug 10, 2005 4:34:32 am PDT #4137 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

No, there were some cattle in space. . . remember?


Connie Neil - Aug 10, 2005 4:35:24 am PDT #4138 of 10001
brillig

I think it's that shot in the credits of Serenity buzzing the remuda.

I always think "people who stampede the stock need shot."


§ ita § - Aug 10, 2005 4:41:40 am PDT #4139 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

More than people who steal and cheat?