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Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.
Which I think is important to remember. There were writers who didn't get rewritten, who were left alone to do good, solid work. Which is very different from some fan perspectives that JOSS DID IT ALL AND EVEN HELD THE BOOM.
My attitude tends to be, "Joss left some stuff alone. If it was bad, then HE DIDN'T FIX IT. If it was good, and someone else did it, then they get credit. But if it's bad, it's Joss's fault, because it's his job to make things better if they're bad."
I'm sure I told you this, Allyson, but the part that bugs me is that for all the great lines Whedon wrote in episodes he wasn't credited with (and I'd never deny that there are lots of them) I suspect there are almost as many bad ones.
Because, man, "A Hole in the World" didn't just happen. That took serious effort.
But if it's bad, it's Joss's fault, because it's his job to make things better if they're bad.Aye. I remember someone arguing that, see, the Angel writers snuck in this whole Cordy & Angel romance, and eventually (after 2 years?!) Joss found out and had to fix it.
And then my head blew up.
I nominate Kiba Rika, Allyson, Kristen, Dani Kin, and everyone else involved with organizing the Fox, UPN, and SciFi Channel postcard campaigns; Variety ad; and other Firefly: Immediate Assistance activities in 2002 and 2003.
Just posted in a thread called "Browncoat Hall of Fame" on the OB where people are nominating those worthy of note.
Aye. I remember someone arguing that, see, the Angel writers snuck in this whole Cordy & Angel romance, and eventually (after 2 years?!) Joss found out and had to fix it.
Bwah! Though to be fair, Greenwalt seemed far more vocally in favor of the 'ship at the time. And Joss did write the one episode in which it wasn't entirely nauseating from start to finish. (Though that "I'm only alive when you're inside me" line still makes me shudder. And not in a good way.)
Tamara, you are very kind.
I think that enough time has passed that I can state, without fear of repercussion...yes, that was kinda David's fault.
So it was kind of a gift for the fans before he left the show, only in reverse?
Just posted in a thread called "Browncoat Hall of Fame" on the OB where people are nominating those worthy of note.
See, now I would like to be in that hall of fame. Only problem -- I did nothing noteworthy. Damn. You'd think not taking steroids would be enough.
Tamara, you are very kind.
I am really not, Kiba. And I didn't post it but, I wanted you all to know about it.
I am really not, Kiba. And I didn't post it but, I wanted you all to know about it.
You're not? Oh well. Still nice of you to let us know, as I know I don't read the OB much and completely would've missed it if you hadn't mentioned it.