My food is problematic.

River ,'The Message'


Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


Gandalfe - Jun 17, 2005 12:39:27 pm PDT #3172 of 10001
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.

And what was the thing they did in Top Gun?

Without watching the movie again, which I just won't do, I think it was an Immelman - half a vertical loop is followed by half an in-line twist, meaning the train has completed one inversion and travels in the opposite direction exiting the element to that when it entered.


§ ita § - Jun 17, 2005 12:41:12 pm PDT #3173 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Was that before or after the volleyball game? If it was during, I'd have remembered. In a happy, dazed way to be sure.


DavidS - Jun 17, 2005 1:05:33 pm PDT #3174 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

meaning the train has completed one inversion and travels in the opposite direction exiting the element to that when it entered.

The train? A train can do an Immelman?

::ponder ponder::

No, I think I'll go with ita's hoyay reading of the Immelman.


Gandalfe - Jun 17, 2005 1:06:31 pm PDT #3175 of 10001
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.

Oops. I actually copied that without reading it, really - I think that's applying to rollercoasters.


Kevin - Jun 17, 2005 1:06:57 pm PDT #3176 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

DavidS - didn't know that.

Firefly DVD continues to outsell Star Wars Episodes 4-6 (Full screen), The 4400 season 1, The Incredibles, Team America, Harry Potter and Lost Season 1. 18 months or so after release.


Jon B. - Jun 17, 2005 2:03:16 pm PDT #3177 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

I've just discovered that FAQ Girl has become a total Adam Baldwin Fangirl. She's taken to Netflixing films she knows will be horrible simply because AB is in them. She's watching Evil Eyes RIGHT NOW! (AInotFG).


Steph L. - Jun 17, 2005 2:03:57 pm PDT #3178 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Jon, don't you mean FAQ Wife?


Jon B. - Jun 17, 2005 2:05:17 pm PDT #3179 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Well, that too. But she's still a girl (last time I checked).


JenP - Jun 17, 2005 2:08:04 pm PDT #3180 of 10001

Oh, I understand. I watched a horrible one on Sci-Fi months ago just for AB. I have no recollection what it was about. Small beach town, big monster, I think.


dcp - Jun 17, 2005 2:29:27 pm PDT #3181 of 10001
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.

And what was the thing they did in Top Gun?

Do you mean the "hit the brakes and he'll fly right by" maneuver? It's called "fatal error." It was just as dumb and wrong in Top Gun as it was in Space Cowboys, but handwave it away and blame it on Hollywood.

A few years after Top Gun Victor Pugachev demonstrated an extreme version of the maneuver in an SU-27 at the Paris airshow. It made such an impression that it's usually called "Pugachev's Cobra," but now and then you'll see it referred to as "dynamic deceleration." It's a great airshow maneuver, but a bad way to manage energy and position in combat, and a bad way to modify a landing approach in a glider.