Hee, Hec. I was working on my post when you posted yours, so I didn't see that.
Doesn't matter that we took him off that boat, Shepherd, it's the place he's going to live from now on.
Mal ,'Bushwhacked'
Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains
Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.
DebetEsse - Jun 01, 2005 8:21:50 am PDT #2708 of 10001
Woe to the fucking wicked.
DavidS - Jun 01, 2005 8:27:57 am PDT #2709 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
More useful stuff from that site. From the Gernsback Continuum:
Contemporaries of Gernsback include:
E.E. "Doc" Smith "Doc" Smith (1890-1965) was the father of the space opera--cops and robbers or cowboys and Indians in space.
Firefly and Star Wars are both squarely in this science fiction tradition, which precedes John Campbell's more narrow and hard-science defined genre. Notably, the phrase "science fiction" was created to describe these space operas originally.
Frankenbuddha - Jun 01, 2005 8:30:13 am PDT #2710 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Isaac Asimov divided the history of modern science fiction
That's actually not a bad set of dividing lines on the evolution of SF in terms of narrative emphasis, though I might quibble about the dates involved. I'm not sure how it works for writers who straddled the dates (or the narrative tropes, for that matter).
amych - Jun 01, 2005 8:36:01 am PDT #2711 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?
Firefly and Star Wars are both squarely in this science fiction tradition, which precedes John Campbell's more narrow and hard-science defined genre.
Hmm... I've never really considered SW to be Space Op, but now that I think of it, it strikes me that it's a very divided 'verse, with Han, Chewie, the Falcon, the Cantina scene, bounty hunters, and all the stuff I love about the originals firmly on the Space Opera side of the force. The feudalism in space stuff (and oh, how I love that phrase) feels much more sword-and-sorcery romantic quest, and I think that's what pings people as "not SF" about it. (It's also about the only damn thing in the new trilogy, but I could just be bitter -- still -- about the grievous lack of Solo.)
Gandalfe - Jun 01, 2005 8:38:33 am PDT #2712 of 10001
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.
1966-present--style dominant
Do you know, offhand, what was the "present" he was speaking of? Do we think that we are still in a "style-dominant" mode?
Gandalfe - Jun 01, 2005 8:39:36 am PDT #2713 of 10001
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.
the grievous lack of Solo
He would have been, like, 12. And it would have been far too much to ask to have had his father (or mother) involved in it. Besides, I doubt Han even knows who his parents are.
tommyrot - Jun 01, 2005 8:41:03 am PDT #2714 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
Supposedly they wanted a young Han Solo in RotS, but then they decided that no 12-year-old would be able to pull off Han Solo.
Ailleann - Jun 01, 2005 8:41:11 am PDT #2715 of 10001
vanguard of the socialist Hollywood liberal homosexualist agenda
Besides, I doubt Han even knows who his parents are.
Does this mean he was born somewhere in the Ford Galaxy?
tommyrot - Jun 01, 2005 8:42:13 am PDT #2716 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
Besides, I doubt Han even knows who his parents are.
Well, we now know that Yoda and Chewbacca were close....
DavidS - Jun 01, 2005 8:43:07 am PDT #2717 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
The feudalism in space stuff (and oh, how I love that phrase) feels much more sword-and-sorcery romantic quest, and I think that's what pings people as "not SF" about it. (It's also about the only damn thing in the new trilogy, but I could just be bitter -- still -- about the grievous lack of Solo.)
I think the feudal elements owe more to Lucas' love of Samurai films. Hence the light saber fighting style and the rips from Kurowasawa's The Hidden Fortress.