Well, just a comment - this is the Firefly/Serenity Worship thread, yes?

No. God no. We don't have "worship" threads, in fact, I can go on at length in here about how badly The Trainjob blew, and I'm exactly in the right thread for that.

I do need some clarity on what Frank is saying, because he's bothered by my apathy or what he sees as passive aggressive swipes, and I can't address his feelings until I'm less puzzled.

Like ita, the most fascinating part was that he twice brought up The Inside:

>OK Allyson, I've been avoiding this, but, seriously, you've been dissing the SERENITY movie in passive/agressive terms for months while you've been pimping The Inside (and really, there is no other term for it, though, YES, I'm jonesing for it like all the other Minear-heads).

And then:

>It's not anything to do with THE INSIDE that bothers me, but the putting down of SERENITY that seems to be there bothers me in comparison. It may be imagined, but Allyson's comments on the movie haven't been much in the positive mode.

It bothers Frank that I'm "putting down" Serenity in comparison to "pimping" The Inside.

Is it a weird BNF issue? Am I supposed to blindly cheerlead every Whedon or Minear project?

I just need more adjectives and a couple of verbs and nouns from Frank to address his feelings and discuss it with him.

No. Worship. Threads.

Discussion threads, no worship. Not here. That's not ... not right.

Here are the posts of Allyson's in this thread (I'm too lazy to go back into the previous thread, but it'd be nice if there were cites from the people who see the dissing):

Allyson - Jan 5, 2005 10:20:33 am PST #235 of 1266
I don't care about the Pan Pacific Grand Prix.

OMG. I just added another $100 to my Amazon shopping cart of the cutest kids books. Two of them about stinky dogs, a couple about monsters, and one or two about being grumpy.

CUTE CUTE CUTE!!!!!

Thanks all for the recommendations.

Allyson - Jan 8, 2005 11:31:43 pm PST #266 of 1266
I don't care about the Pan Pacific Grand Prix.

Tamara, this ad?

I think it's 12/9

Allyson - Jan 30, 2005 11:43:45 am PST #457 of 1266
I don't care about the Pan Pacific Grand Prix.

On the other hand, I'm terribly afraid the suits will muck it up, and I want to see Joss's vision intact.

There's always the Director's Cut on DVD.

Allyson - Feb 3, 2005 9:52:20 am PST #487 of 1266
I don't care about the Pan Pacific Grand Prix.

So the world isn't really as full of stupid people as I think it is?

Allyson - Feb 3, 2005 8:17:58 pm PST #541 of 1266
I don't care about the Pan Pacific Grand Prix.

I am home. I am having soup and bread for supper, and screw the diet, I WILL HAVE THE VANILLA ICE CREAM AND HOT BUTTERSCOTCH.

Allyson - Feb 3, 2005 8:20:24 pm PST #542 of 1266
I don't care about the Pan Pacific Grand Prix.

Oh. And this is TOTALLY the wrong thread.

Allyson - Feb 8, 2005 4:44:20 pm PST #651 of 1266
I don't care about the Pan Pacific Grand Prix.

Sure, talk bad story about a Firefly actor. You could kill a thread, too.

I think he's sort of a wingnut, Gus. I'll stand by that.

Allyson - Mar 21, 2005 2:30:59 pm PST #963 of 1266
I don't care about the Pan Pacific Grand Prix.

Simon!

That's all I got.

Allyson - Apr 5, 2005 3:13:54 pm PDT #1018 of 1266
I don't care about the Pan Pacific Grand Prix.

I think I'm all Fireflyed out.

Allyson - Apr 13, 2005 12:13:11 pm PDT #1056 of 1266
I don't care about the Pan Pacific Grand Prix.

NO ONE ASKED ME TO WRITE ANYTHING.

Hurrumph. See if I try and save your next show, Whedon.

I'm so breaking up with you.

Allyson - Apr 22, 2005 5:21:30 pm PDT #1250 of 1266
I don't care about the Pan Pacific Grand Prix.

I got an email from the serenity site, and the heading was, "A Message from Joss"

I remember way back when he used to just come and post. Thems were the days.

I think I'll unsubscribe, because it freaked me out. It's like those broadcast emails I get from the head honcho, A MESSAGE FROM THE ADMINISTRATOR

I'm such a rebel. I have those forwarded to the trash bin.

I think Allyson's been passive-aggressively dissing the Pan Pacific Grand Prix.

God, that formatting killed me.

Also, the Fireflyed out commente seemed to be a response to the Firefly comic. But I dunno.

I gotta agree with PC. It's the Grand Prix she's dissing.

If I may make so bold, he's mentioning what I've also noticed, which is that Allyson may've been more subtextually than actually "dissing" Firefly (although being "Fireflyed out" may not be a literal slam, to some of us it does not advertise the true love and obsession that many of us share).

This sentence, it irks. I've walked the walk in terms of love for Firefly. In fact, I ran the marathon. Which may explain my tiredness.

I haven't been tiptoeing around it, but to be clear, I just don't think the show translates to the big screen. I think if you're not a fan going into it, you'll not so much be in love coming out of it.

I do think the film will serve fans well, in that you'll get to see these characters one more time, and get some answers about some mysteries the show wasn't able to cover because it got shot down so soon.

Oddly, I'm seeing the door closed/window opened of it. If Firefly was still going, I wouldn't be hugging scripts for The Inside so tightly, and I'm in love with The Inside. Tim got to do his own thing, and that's a good thing.

With Firefly, I didn't love or respect the show until Out of Gas, but this one had me at hello, before I ever saw a script when he was yammering on about it with excitement (Bob likes carrots), and I thought, "hm. I wonder what Tim will wear to the Emmys. I'm gonna throw an Emmy party so we can all squeal at the teevee when they call his name."

And yet, I expect many Buffistas will hate it as much as I love it. And I'll be sad, because, like when Jessica wasn't so keen on Firefly, I missed having her voice in the conversation.

It doesn't mean they can't discuss why they're unhappy with it, in fact, I'd love to know more and talk about it.

Wow ita. All laid out like that, I see I say a lot of inane shit.

Does this mean there will be no Serenity party?

(speaking of inane shit)

All laid out like that, I see I say a lot of inane shit.

I'm hoping I post at too high a volume for anyone to do the same for me. Having said that, I think there'd be a distinct...uh...compromise in my quality.

I want there to be a Serenity party! Not that I'm horribly biased, or anything, or looking to wear another headset.

ita, please wear another headset. It is teh sexy.

Does this mean there will be no Serenity party?

It's odd, this is sort of why I wanted to post as paperdol in here, just because of that reaction.

The thing about the parties I do is that they're a celebration of the fandom, and the show is the reason for the fandom. The fandom wants to honor the thing that brought them together, but I throw parties to honor the people who are the fandom.

The Firefly fandom makes me insanely proud. They really have hung in there, and have done a lot of work and spent a lot of their hard earned money and free time to keep the fandom and the story that is Firefly alive.

So of course I'm all about helping put together a party for them. I adore them and want them to have something for the scrapbook.

But if someone else wants to pick up the ball and run with it, more power to them.

Seriously. I have no flag planted in the ground and I am not the fandom party queen. I'll be there for them if they prefer me to take the reigns, and root for them if someone else wants to do it.