You've got my support. Just think of me as...as your... You know, I'm searching for 'supportive things' and I'm coming up all bras.

Xander ,'Empty Places'


Natter 31 But Looks 29  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Miracleman - Jan 12, 2005 9:59:38 am PST #5307 of 10002
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

I'm never sure whether it's okay to be mean about President Bush around Americans, y'know? Whether it's one of those 'we can mock, but outsiders better not' situations, like with family?

Personally, I'm at the point where all I can do is sigh and say "Yeah, I know."

"He's an ass."

"Yep."

"He's stupid."

"Look, you're not telling me anything I don't already know, okay? Lots of us aren't happy about it."

But I'm also on the "Mock the man, not the office" train.


Jars - Jan 12, 2005 9:59:45 am PST #5308 of 10002

That's what my biggest worry is, I think. That people will confuse criticism of a certain action by a certain administration as criticism of what that administration represents.

To be honest though, Americans are more or less the only people I feel this with. I'd never worry about pissing off my French friends by saying that Chirac is a philanderer or Australians by saying that there's a certain amount of racism in their administration.

I think my bias on this may come from the media rather than any conversations I've had with people, which is not a good thing.


Daisy Jane - Jan 12, 2005 10:00:07 am PST #5309 of 10002
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

I don't think he could have said something like that, because I don't think he believes it.

ETA: That was to Cashmere


shrift - Jan 12, 2005 10:03:07 am PST #5310 of 10002
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

I'm wondering if the sudden temperature spike and the fact that it soon will be dropping like a coyote off a cliff has something to do with my horrible backache.

Yeah, probably not.


Allyson - Jan 12, 2005 10:04:11 am PST #5311 of 10002
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I have an unusual sitch, here. I bring a lot of foreign national hires here. I feel like they're guests at my dinner table, it's considered an honor to be here.

And there's been a couple of times when some bureaucratic nonsense has created a brief snag in computer access or something, and some asswipe takes a slam at America for the problem.

As if we as a country voted to make the Firewall software unweildy.

This is what bristles, not so much the criticism of "the US Administration is fucking shit up in the Middle East" and such.

But when I've written a completely plain contract and asked you if you understand it, and you sign it, and then argue after the fact that I've cheated you out of money because you didn't understand it, please don't EVER say, "Americans..." under your breath because you can't take responsibility for your shit.


Cashmere - Jan 12, 2005 10:04:52 am PST #5312 of 10002
Now tagless for your comfort.

Heather, yeah. But I'm having trouble letting go of my fantasies.


Miracleman - Jan 12, 2005 10:08:19 am PST #5313 of 10002
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

But when I've written a completely plain contract and asked you if you understand it, and you sign it, and then argue after the fact that I've cheated you out of money because you didn't understand it, please don't EVER say, "Americans..." under your breath because you can't take responsibility for your shit.

Yeah, I can see that getting one's dander up.

"Look, buddy...it's true that this contract was written by an American. And it's true that it was presented to you by Americans. It's true that you signed it in America.

But it's not like ALL AMERICANS wrote this. And, as mentioned above, it's you, the Not-American who, y'know, signed it and agreed to its terms.

It's not like we tricked you. It's not like ALL AMERICANS switched the contract out from under your pen at the last second all 'Yoink! Ha ha! You just signed away your left testicle! Bring me the rusty scalpel, boys!' In fact, it's not like anyone did that.

So take your country bashing and your lack of perspective over there and grouse about how you're getting screwed to yourself, because that's who screwed ya."


Cashmere - Jan 12, 2005 10:09:50 am PST #5314 of 10002
Now tagless for your comfort.

But when I've written a completely plain contract and asked you if you understand it, and you sign it, and then argue after the fact that I've cheated you out of money because you didn't understand it, please don't EVER say, "Americans..." under your breath because you can't take responsibility for your shit.

Ouch. Yeah, rude.

My Iranian friend LOVES America. He mocks the administration but is very definitive about his love for the US. He thinks people that voted for Bush are crazy, but he's not running around saying mean things about them. He's more puzzled than anything else. Like he can't quite figure out why we're not treating our democracy any better than we are.


Kathy A - Jan 12, 2005 10:11:36 am PST #5315 of 10002
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Question re: the pics upthread--how did y'all manage to find an uncarved spot on the wall at Gino's?!

Oh, and a great article (Chicago Tribune reg. required) on National Pie Day, along with some "lost pie" recipes.


ChiKat - Jan 12, 2005 10:11:51 am PST #5316 of 10002
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

Slightly askew Buffistas in Chicago

Awww....I'm so bummed I couldn't come. Especially since I work in the same freakin' building as Gino's. But, alas, I had class last night.