In this case, I'm very concerned about the rights of the minority, even at the expense of a bit of the will of the majority, since it is the difference between someone being able to attend or not vs. shininess of accomidations.
Abi, rights don't come into it. It's economic reality, financial physics.
The bottom line is, if you're looking at a major metropolitan area in the United States, you're looking at certain economic realities. In 2002, less than a year after 911, airlines were still scrabbling for passengers and the Bellagio was sending us "special deals! $89 a night!" offers. That $89 a night is now $169 a night.
This group has specific requirements, and they aren't negotiable. Which is fine, because that's one of the upsides to staying in a major urban area: the flow of tourism is likely to be more sophisticated, and the hotels are more likely to cater to those requirements.
So, I can find you probably seven or eight motor inns on Lombard Street, for between $69 and $89 a night. Big comfortable rooms. But you won't get a hospitality suite. There will be nowhere nearby for your prom. And you sure as hell won't have internet in every room.
That's the tradeoff. At the high end, you can stay at the Fairmont or the Pan-Pacific or the Mark Hopkins and have everything non-negotiable on the list, and hot and cold running cabana boys or girls from every bathroom tap - but we'd need to win the lottery first.
This is one reason I've been stressing the intangibles in the city choices. An area with a lot of locals who have house room for those guests for whom that extra ten or twenty a night is a strain means there are that many more guests who can take that extra money and use it to actually get there in the first place. A city with people who have cars and a willingness to drive, or a really wide-ranging public transport system, means another $30 bucks saved on having to buy a local transit pass, or whatever an individual city's cost might be for a weekend pass. And not everyone is going to want to do everything in a group. People are going to want to wander around and see things on their own, rather than be strictly dependent on other people ferrying them from the wilds of suburbia to wherever they want to go.
These are the intangibles. But I know that, in my own pimp, I'd point out that we can happily house - and chauffeuse, and feed - three people who otherwise couldn't afford the hotels.
I'm still strongly in favor of letting the pimps pimp what they think are the best options based on the host of requirements, and seeing where that takes us.
Agree with this. $100 as a goal, or target, or guideline is fine, but I'm uncomfortable with having it set as a make-or-break ceiling, particularly given that there are hosts in Seattle and SF, at least, and that would certainly play into people's ability to attend if hotel costs were prohibitive.
So if you can't find a hotel that meets requirements under $100, the city's out?
I certainly hope that's not the case.
So if you can't find a hotel that meets requirements under $100, the city's out?
I certainly hope that's not the case.
So do I. Because I'm damned if I'd personally be willing to spend airfare and hotel money to stay at an airport motel in East Nowhere, just to save ten bucks a night on lodging.
A lot of people would rather be at a clean Motel 6 in podunk with a DVD player and a handful of even-less-than-thrilling things to do if it meant that everyone could come. For me, it's not so much the place as the company.
That's not exactly feasable either, though. So lets see what the pimps can do with the compromise of niceish place/decent price.
$100 as a goal, or target, or guideline is fine, but I'm uncomfortable with having it set as a make-or-break ceiling
So do I. Because I'm damned if I'd personally be willing to spend airfare and hotel money to stay at an airport motel in East Nowhere, just to save ten bucks a night on lodging.
Yup, this. I appreciate the diligence to keep costs down, but we also need to be realistic.
A lot of people would rather be at a clean Motel 6 in podunk with a DVD player and a handful of even-less-than-thrilling things to do if it meant that everyone could come. For me, it's not so much the place as the company.
The list of requirements - things that HAVE TO BE THERE - does not stop at a DVD player. It includes internet access in every room, a hospitality suite in situ, and a facility large enough to host up to seventy people, with a dance floor and permission to play loud music.
If a Motel 6 with a DVD player is the minimum allowed, maybe you can get Abi to change the requirements list. In the meantime, however, that isn't the case.
Right, okay, whatever.
Abi, talk to me. You're in charge, ma'am. I want clarification.
I'm not arguing with the requirements list; I think it's fine and I think it can be met. However, I don't think it can be met in this area for $100 a night inclusive of tax.
If Trudy is right, and all we need is a DVD player, can you please post that up? Because I've been going with the dictionary definition of requirement, which is pretty damned specific.
And while I'm happy to check some of the outlying areas - as nuts as I think the idea is, because the likelihood of you finding the kind of hotel the requirements list calls for in Gilroy or Pleasanton or Livermore is right up there with the likelihood of Beyonce windsurfing down the side of Annapurna with a pizza on her head - I'm not spending two hours on a train in each direction to view some armpit motel out in the middle of nowhere.
If all we need is a DVD player, no hospitality suite that allows us to keep our own munchies in there, no room for prom? Dude. I'll have a list with 15 motels, here in town, by the end of the week.
Clarify, please.
If Trudy is right, and all we need is a DVD player, can you please post that up? Because I've been going with the dictionary definition of requirement, which is pretty damned specific.
Oh please read my actual post before you commence your rant.
What I said is what PERSONALLY that is all that *I* (and others who see maximum attendance as the one and only priority) would need for a successful F2F.
SOME people would like something very snazzy.
What Abi has presented as parameters is an attempt at a compromise between the two. Lets see what we can get in those parameters and proceed from there.
