Kind of my point - the availability of cars and drivers for an area has to be considered.

I think the thing to consider is ease of movement, and if that's cars and whatnot, great. It could be also good public transportation.

It could be also good public transportation.

Yep. But public transportation as the only way around for a lot of people means two other things that I feel ought to be in the city pimpage, pros and cons: the outdoor temperatures and the times things stop running.

Vegas, for instance, in the daytime, can literally get so damned hot - even in May - that standing outside in a bus shelter for fifteen minutes can roughly equate to what I'd imagine a peanut feels like, being dry-roasted. We've tried that, waiting for a bus from the Strip (we'd already returned our car rental, had three hours to kill before plane home) to downtown. Not fun, unless you're a gila monster. OTOH, they run a lot of their buses basically 24/7, which would go inthe plus column.

Remember DC? It was so hot that even the two block walk between your car (I looooooooooove your car) and the hotel basically left me limper than overcooked pasta.

Though to be fair, DC is not normally that hot in May. It was a freak heat wave.

As we've now had a second freak heat wave in May par-broilingconflicting with a f2f location, I think it might be a good thing to include in the general planning assumptions though.

crosses off Equatorial Africa

Biloxi, too. Because it's "like Africa hot" and why would Matthew Broderick lie?

As we've now had a second freak heat wave in May par-broiling conflicting with a f2f location, I think it might be a good thing to include in the general planning assumptions though.

Yep. San Francisco had a heat wave in fricking July this year. This is our chilliest time of year, generally. But there have been enough drastic weirdness changes in climate and weather that these days, snow in August wouldn't surprise me. So I'm nodding along with Matt. We have to consider the weather in re the ease of a large number of people moving around.

I'm remembering that wait for the bus in Vegas, and not fondly. I got on the bus, rubbed my lips, and a mass of skin came off. That's how damned hot and dry it was.

so ... F2Fs prove that global warming is a fact?

It *is* a lot of HAWT in one spot.

By the way - the Buffista babies have totally spoiled me. I'm so used to seeing pictures of bright-eyed, alert, obviously intelligent babies that when I see ordinary babies I wonder what's wrong with them. Happened the other day ....