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NoiseDesign - Sep 20, 2005 7:23:54 am PDT #4582 of 10003
Our wings are not tired

The music insdustry is actively working on trying to get the marketplace to a model where the consumer is charged each time they listen to a song. They are on crack, and live in fantasyland.


Tom Scola - Sep 20, 2005 7:33:54 am PDT #4583 of 10003
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Charging more for popular songs and albums is not an unreasonable position, especially if it's accompanied by a cut in price of less popular tracks. It's how CDs in stores are priced.

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Jon B. - Sep 20, 2005 7:46:08 am PDT #4584 of 10003
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

An opposing view to Tom's link: [link]


Sue - Sep 20, 2005 7:49:42 am PDT #4585 of 10003
hip deep in pie

Yeah, my expereince is that new and popular albums are discounted, and you pay through the nose for back catalogue stuff.


Wolfram - Sep 20, 2005 7:55:47 am PDT #4586 of 10003
Visilurking

Jon, here's where I think the penguin's argument is flawed:

The likely outcome of the variable pricing model backed by the industry is an enormous amount of catalogue simply disappearing. This already happens in the world outside of Internet economics, let me give you an example.

I don't know much about the music industry, but from a layman's perspective there's a significant difference between Internet economics and the traditional music industry: the costs of distribution. Under the old model, printing and distributing records/tapes/cds is costly and there's going to be a price point at which it's unfeasible. But internet delivery costs are practically negligible. So songs that are in low demand can be cost-effective even for mere pennies.

Or maybe I'm a wrong-headed ignoramous.


Jon B. - Sep 20, 2005 8:42:26 am PDT #4587 of 10003
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

I was thinking the same thing, Wolfram.
t on edit errr... your first paragraph, not the ignoramus part.

FTR, by posting that link I wasn't saying I agreed with the penguin guy or the other guy. I'm not sure where I stand. I just wanted to spark some discussion.


tommyrot - Sep 20, 2005 8:54:29 am PDT #4588 of 10003
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Tom's link makes some interesting points. I'm just afraid that if the record companies get their way, they'll raise prices on new, popluar stuff without lowering prices on other stuff.

And there's still a lot of stuff I want that's still out of print and not available on iTunes. I've spent a small fortune on used copies of rare, out of print CDs in the last year. Come to think of it, I would have gladly paid $1.50 per song on iTunes for them. It's just if the majority of stuff went for the $1.50 that would piss me off.

eta: Anyone know if the record companies also want to raise the $9.99 per album price that most stuff goes for on iTunes?


Tom Scola - Sep 20, 2005 9:40:43 am PDT #4589 of 10003
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Apple makes the software and equipment that allows you to make recordings relatively cheaply, and it has the largest (legal) online distribution network.

If you don't need anyone to print and distribute CDs, then what function does a record label serve?


bon bon - Sep 20, 2005 10:10:17 am PDT #4590 of 10003
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

The penguin's article was incomprehensible nonsense. Wolfram hits the nail on the head: penguin doesn't even consider the economics of making back catalogues available.


NoiseDesign - Sep 20, 2005 10:20:23 am PDT #4591 of 10003
Our wings are not tired

My experience with record companies is that they don't consider the economics of the back catalog either. I do hope that they will change, but they haven't up until this point.