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Wolfram - Sep 20, 2005 7:55:47 am PDT #4586 of 10003
Visilurking

Jon, here's where I think the penguin's argument is flawed:

The likely outcome of the variable pricing model backed by the industry is an enormous amount of catalogue simply disappearing. This already happens in the world outside of Internet economics, let me give you an example.

I don't know much about the music industry, but from a layman's perspective there's a significant difference between Internet economics and the traditional music industry: the costs of distribution. Under the old model, printing and distributing records/tapes/cds is costly and there's going to be a price point at which it's unfeasible. But internet delivery costs are practically negligible. So songs that are in low demand can be cost-effective even for mere pennies.

Or maybe I'm a wrong-headed ignoramous.


Jon B. - Sep 20, 2005 8:42:26 am PDT #4587 of 10003
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

I was thinking the same thing, Wolfram.
t on edit errr... your first paragraph, not the ignoramus part.

FTR, by posting that link I wasn't saying I agreed with the penguin guy or the other guy. I'm not sure where I stand. I just wanted to spark some discussion.


tommyrot - Sep 20, 2005 8:54:29 am PDT #4588 of 10003
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Tom's link makes some interesting points. I'm just afraid that if the record companies get their way, they'll raise prices on new, popluar stuff without lowering prices on other stuff.

And there's still a lot of stuff I want that's still out of print and not available on iTunes. I've spent a small fortune on used copies of rare, out of print CDs in the last year. Come to think of it, I would have gladly paid $1.50 per song on iTunes for them. It's just if the majority of stuff went for the $1.50 that would piss me off.

eta: Anyone know if the record companies also want to raise the $9.99 per album price that most stuff goes for on iTunes?


Tom Scola - Sep 20, 2005 9:40:43 am PDT #4589 of 10003
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Apple makes the software and equipment that allows you to make recordings relatively cheaply, and it has the largest (legal) online distribution network.

If you don't need anyone to print and distribute CDs, then what function does a record label serve?


bon bon - Sep 20, 2005 10:10:17 am PDT #4590 of 10003
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

The penguin's article was incomprehensible nonsense. Wolfram hits the nail on the head: penguin doesn't even consider the economics of making back catalogues available.


NoiseDesign - Sep 20, 2005 10:20:23 am PDT #4591 of 10003
Our wings are not tired

My experience with record companies is that they don't consider the economics of the back catalog either. I do hope that they will change, but they haven't up until this point.


le nubian - Sep 20, 2005 10:47:15 am PDT #4592 of 10003
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

The music insdustry is actively working on trying to get the marketplace to a model where the consumer is charged each time they listen to a song. They are on crack, and live in fantasyland.

Do you really think this? Why?


askye - Sep 20, 2005 12:21:24 pm PDT #4593 of 10003
Thrive to spite them

I need some help with the Google toolbar and Foxfire.

I had the tool bar on Foxfire and it was doing fine. Except I ended up uninstalling it kind of by accident. I went to reinstall the toolbar and I followed the directions, but the toolbar didn't reappear when I restarted the browser. However, after I restarted my computer the toolbar was there.

Last night after I turned on the computer the toolbar was gone again. I went back, uninstalled it, deleted it, and then reinstalled it. It says that when Foxfire restarts the toolbar will be there, but again, it didn't do that. I assumed that today when I turned on my computer the Google tool bar would be on foxfire, but it's not.

I need to know how to make the toolbar stick around.


Jessica - Sep 20, 2005 12:26:57 pm PDT #4594 of 10003
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

There's a Google search box built into Firefox -- it should be in the upper-right corner.


askye - Sep 20, 2005 12:42:40 pm PDT #4595 of 10003
Thrive to spite them

I See that the search box is there, but what I was missing was the spell check and auto fill, especially the spell check. But I just discovered that I didn't have the toolbar selected.

So, never mind.