Maybe a Buffista can loan you a copy of OSX 10.3...

If only.

Whereabouts do you call home? Maybe someone lives near you...

Hey, are you on the buffista map?

Tom, I'm on the wrong computer, but I'll post it tomorrow. I'm on 10.3, which I think is the latest, and I downloaded Apple's own X11, so that should be set up as they said.

If I wasn't so dead set on not paying Microsoft, I'd give up and bow to the inevitable. Appleworks just isn't cutting the mustard for me in some respects. SIGH

What version of 10.3? (10.3 should be good enough, but I just wanted to compare to my systems. One is 10.3.7, and the other was 10.3.5 (but I've just updated that to 10.3.7 too).

Sadly, OOo has abandoned their efforts to develop a native Aqua version, so it looks like X11 is gonna be the only way for a while....

Theo: if all the office stuff you need is a word processor and/or presentation thing, you might try the new iWork that was just released last week as the beginning of an (apparently much nice) Appleworks replacement. It's only $79 for both Keynote and Pages, the new word processor - I haven't tried it, but intend to soon, and Keynote is very nice.

Or, you could try NeoOffice, which is a partly aquacized port of Openoffice.org. Not as nice looking as a real Mac app still, but much better looking than OO.org under X11 (again - so I hear.)

It's running 10.3.7, just as it should be (I've updated each time there's been anything sent along by Software Update), and the version of X11 is 1.0, which is what you get from the Apple download site.

If I try a setenv command, I get bash: setenv:command not found

I'll copy in the complete set of commands that aren't running as if I move over to the iBook I can just copy the complicated strings whole.

OK, this is the suggested set of commands to use if OpenOffice.org doesn't start from the icon:

Starting OpenOffice.org Manually

To launch OpenOffice.org, use the included Start OpenOffice.org program by Terry Teague. If you encounter problems, you may want to try launching OpenOffice.org manually. With your X server running, open a Terminal and execute the following four commands (do not include the bullets):

setenv DISPLAY localhost:0

setenv DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH /Applications/OpenOffice.org1.1.2/program:/Applications/
OpenOffice.org1.1.2/program/filter

cd /Applications/OpenOffice.org1.1.2/program

sh soffice

In the meantime, I'll try downloading that NeoOffice and see if that actually works any better.

I do want a spreadsheet program that makes pretty graphs, plus the navigability that I get in Word as opposed to Appleworks, which is frustrating. I still mourn the loss of Fullwrite, which the "free" download you can get doesn't work well enough to bother with under latterday OSs.

One too many bites for a sour Apple? [link]

If I try a setenv command, I get bash: setenv:command not found

Weird. If I follow the suggested set of commands to start OO manually...:

If I try a setenv command, I get bash: setenv:command not found

this happens to me too. According to my O'Reilly Mac OS X book, it appears that setenv is a valid command only in the csh and tcsh shells. So it would appear that the manual instructions they give are incorrect or out of date. Does anyone know - did OS X switch from tcsh to bash recently?

This is interesting - when I get some more time I'll look into this further....

eta: OK, this is just weird. On my iBook, both the regular and xterm terminals are using tcsh, and the above setenv command works. Apparantly X11 on my Cube is using bash instead of tcsh. AFAIK both systems are set up the same (OS X 10.3.7, latest Apple X11, etc).

eta2: But anyway, if you can tell X11 to use the tcsh shell, that might get things to work.

One too many bites for a sour Apple?

I wish it was as clear cut as the Age headline writer thinks that case is.

While I don't think Apple is right giving a damn about ThinkSecret, I can see where they have the right to try and stop trade secrets from being published, like any other company.