Everybody dies, Tracey. Someone's carrying a bullet for you right now, doesn't even know it. The trick is to die of old age before it finds you.

Mal ,'The Message'


Spoilers 3: First Mutant Enemy, Now the World

[NAFDA] Spoilers for any and all currently running TV shows. All hardcore spoilage, all the time. No white font.


Typo Boy - Jul 31, 2012 3:22:38 pm PDT #3368 of 3486
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

My thoughts: the first spoiler/foiler would be kind of awesome. The topic really can't get any scarier, so making it over the top and funny is not a bad way to go. The 2nd seasonal arc point - well I'm NOT thrilled. But could make for a decent story. Which is why I don't believe it. Moffat is not going to give away both of those if either one is true. Though I really want to see the first.


Jessica - Aug 03, 2012 3:15:49 am PDT #3369 of 3486
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?

Revolution spoilers, bearing in mind that I watched this over a month ago and it wasn't very good so the details are pretty fuzzy.

Why would people move away from firearms unless they *had* to?

I really should remember this better because I think it was an important plot point, but I'm almost positive that guns are just illegal for everyone except the militias. So they work, but if you're caught with one they will arrest you and take your gun away.

As far as electricity and the laws of physics are concerned, there's evidence by the end of the episode that electricity is somehow being *actively* suppressed, and that there is an underground resistance movement who knows what's going on and how to get around it and plug shit in.

(There is also a character who used to work for Google who walks around pointing out all the things that don't make sense in their world and being pissed off that nobody else seems to care about the science, which takes some of the sting out.)


Consuela - Aug 13, 2012 2:54:39 pm PDT #3370 of 3486
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

There is also a character who used to work for Google who walks around pointing out all the things that don't make sense in their world and being pissed off that nobody else seems to care about the science

That's actually pretty funny.


Juliebird - Sep 02, 2012 4:35:12 pm PDT #3371 of 3486
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Towards the end of this article [link] Misha Collins spoils a bit about Castiel's state of mind.


Typo Boy - Sep 19, 2012 8:53:00 pm PDT #3372 of 3486
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

OK - here is a possible explanation of what is happening in "Revolution". The TV show is sort of a sideways spin off Stirlings the emberverse which in turn is a spin of a time travel alternate universe story. And that alternate universe story has a throwaway explanation which I don't know ever made it into the emberverse because I never bothered with the emberverse.

The time travel story is basically an entire New England Island is thrown into the distant past. The inhabitants of the island having guns and the ability to make more set out to conquer the ancient world and bring democracy and flush toilets. (This is seen as a good thing.) Some other people who were on the island want to conquer the world for bad reasons.

Meanwhile the ancient version of the island came into our time. And our time was altered in such a way as to suppress electricity creating the emberverse.

OK so what cause all this? Well it is not in the plot of the time travel series at all. But there is a one page author omnippent toss off in which it is revealed that a superbeing did all this deliberately for shits and giggles. So basically it was done by Q from Star Trek! (Since the superbeing is left unnamed and undescribed by Stirling we can assume it is Q if we want.)

And if this is done by Q then, he might have cooled the cores of the nuclear reactors so that having a bunch of reactors around would not spoil his fun. He might have brought down the jets with lights still on and shut off the electricity gradually because it was more fun that way. Once you have "superbeing" as an explanation, you can fit in pretty much anything.

Superbeing is not particularly compatible with having amulets that turn the lights on, or people who knew in advance that this was coming. So I'm not that sure that this will be what is happening in the TV series. Q is OK for individual episodes but as the explanation of the key premise of a series he is lousy story telling. Still I suspect that some modification of this is being used in the series. Maybe something more on the lines of a mad scientist....?


§ ita § - Sep 20, 2012 5:03:38 am PDT #3373 of 3486
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Are these spoilers or speculation?


Typo Boy - Sep 20, 2012 3:32:21 pm PDT #3374 of 3486
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

They are based on source material. So there is a better chance of them being real than something just off the top of my head. In general if a series is based on source material, even though it is always speculative that the source material will end in the series, I assumed that it constitutes a spoiler. Maybe I'm wrong. For me I've never been fond of how spoiler phobic we are, but it is the culture so I try to comply.


Typo Boy - Sep 20, 2012 3:42:50 pm PDT #3375 of 3486
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

To be clear - the alien superbeing as creating the situation is a spoiler. And like many spoilers not absolutely certain. A spoiler leaked by the show-runner may be a foiler. In my case the show may not go the same place as the source material. But definitely in the source material the ultimate explanation was "alien superbeing".

The rest is speculation based on that spoiler. Calling the superbeing 'Q' is just me being a smartass. But the 'alien superbeing' thing was in the source material of the source material.


§ ita § - Sep 20, 2012 6:54:40 pm PDT #3376 of 3486
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I thought that it was stated that this isn't related to the Emberverse. Can you point me to the cite?


Typo Boy - Sep 20, 2012 8:49:36 pm PDT #3377 of 3486
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

This isn't related to the Emberverse? Sorry I had the impression from discussion that it was. If the series is not related to the emberverse then the post is completely wrong. It is not even good speculation cause it is based on Revolution being derived from the Emberverse. I got the impression from the boxed set discussion that the Emberverse was the source material for this. Should I delete?