If she isn't human, she sure is an interesting invention who sustained a lot of breaks when she was a kid.

We only know about the breaks from the Cylon doctor though, right?

And the flashbacks show Kara's itty bitty hands being smashed in the doorway by dear ole mom. And Kara didn't say "what the frak are you talking about, my hands were never broken!"

False memories of broken bones, I could buy. (Boomer remembered a family and a childhood, after all.)

False memories of broken bones that are also contagious to other Cylons who don't know that she's also one? That...I'd have a tough time with. So even if she is a Cylon, I think her physical scars are real.

And the flashbacks show Kara's itty bitty hands being smashed in the doorway by dear ole mom. And Kara didn't say "what the frak are you talking about, my hands were never broken!"

Right, but those are from Kara's mind. Boomer thought she had a childhood and stuff, too.

False memories of broken bones that are also contagious to other Cylons who don't know that she's also one? That...I'd have a tough time with. So even if she is a Cylon, I think her physical scars are real.

Oh yeah. Good point. He probably wouldn't have known she was one. I was forgetting that if she is one, none of the Cylons would know, because of the shrouded identity of the final five.

What would her being a hybrid do to the timeline? How long have the human-form cylons been around?

I agree with the PoV that all the shrieking about the specialness of the hybrid is diluted by the idea of one having been standing right there the whole time.

I wonder if a cylon fathered hybrid is less special than a cylon mothered one.

How long have the human-form cylons been around?

Up until now, we'd been told they weren't around until after the first Cylon war, but with Tigh, that can't be true anymore.

I wonder if a cylon fathered hybrid is less special than a cylon mothered one.

Maybe Starbuck can lead the One Of My Parents Was A Cylon support group when Nicky and Hera are old enough.

Up until now, we'd been told they weren't around until after the first Cylon war

was that meta information or from within the context of the show?

Maybe the "they weren't around" meant "the 12 colonies had never seen them around until now"?

Which reminds me of a mini-series question I'd always had: how the heck, if a humlon had never been seen or heard of before, did Adama figure out that CRK was a cylon? It never gelled for me. (Adama's a humlon! Leoben wasn't lying!)

My issue with either ToasterBuck or HybridBuck is that the first has Been Done (Hi, Boomer!) and the second has Been Done To Death

See, I think all of this is very different from Boomer. Or, well, different enough. With Boomer, we got someone the audience knew was a Cylon, but she didn't know, and the humans didn't know, and the other Cylons did know.

With all the latest reveals... They didn't know they were Cylons; we didn't know they were Cylons; the other Cylons STILL don't know they're Cylons. Totally different mindfuck.

I dunno. I can see the logic behind Starbuck being a hybrid but it just doesn't sit right for some reason. The broken fingers did occur to me, but I can fanwank that more easily than I can wank "oh, she actually fell into a black hole/portal/transdimensonal collapsatron." I guess because that's just not very funny, since that seems to be my standard here.

But... Hm. I could see them doing it, solely to set up a thing where next season, we spend half the episodes assuming she's #12, then they reveal that she's a hybrid solely to cause one final "Then who IS #12?" freakout. Which, if they do it that way... then I'll bet that they never reveal the last one, because the point would be, "It could be anyone. Kind of doesn't matter now." I can totally see that happening, the more I think about it. Hm hm hm.

Maybe that's why her mum kept telling her she was special? Maybe her mum knew (fell in love with a Toaster during the first Cylon war, and after it was over, it/he left, and she was preggers. A classic war romance.)

In the Maelstrom podcast, Ron mentioned that Kara's mother knew about Kara's "destiny" because she had been visiting with Oracles and they had told her about it. So that's why she pushed Kara to toughen her up to fulfill that destiny.

One theory I'm wanking is that earth is like Cylon Central for the final five, and so when Kara died she downloaded there, which is how she knows where it is. And since they are closing in on it, they are getting closer to all the other final fiver copies, which could explain the sudden activation of Tory/Sam/Tigh/Chief.

Reeeeeally hope that's not true, though. I don't want Kara to be a cylon. I'm crossing my fingers and hoping for a Ship of Lights story.