You know, I've saved lives. Dozens. Maybe hundreds. I reattached a girl's leg. Her whole leg. She named her hamster after me. I got a hamster. He drops a box of money, he gets a town.

Simon ,'Jaynestown'


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amych - Mar 20, 2007 10:44:20 am PDT #1957 of 3486
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

My issue with either ToasterBuck or HybridBuck is that the first has Been Done (Hi, Boomer!) and the second has Been Done To Death (Because, like, did you know that they're SPECIAL? And they get really awesome highway mileage? And they're the head of Bob Barker KEY?). And we already have not one but TWO, and they can push each other down on the playground at the Day Care of 21st Century First World Parent Guilt and make each other cry and then exercise their magic hybrid healing powers on each other all day. Aww.

(No, really, it could be like chibi Tigh-n-Ellen. Maybe without the strong drink.)

But a Starbuck who's just as human as ever but just happened to nukify herself to earth and back? That's strange and unpredictable and holy-shittish enough to keep me sitting through the filler eps. Aww, yeah.


Topic!Cindy - Mar 20, 2007 11:39:40 am PDT #1958 of 3486
What is even happening?

Human's still my first preference too, amy. I've already decided I miss Katee though, so I've way softened my ranty-stance I took right after Starbuck's death.


le nubian - Mar 20, 2007 12:03:02 pm PDT #1959 of 3486
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

If she isn't human, she sure is an interesting invention who sustained a lot of breaks when she was a kid.


Topic!Cindy - Mar 20, 2007 1:34:17 pm PDT #1960 of 3486
What is even happening?

We only know about the breaks from the Cylon doctor though, right?


Juliebird - Mar 20, 2007 2:23:00 pm PDT #1961 of 3486
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

And the flashbacks show Kara's itty bitty hands being smashed in the doorway by dear ole mom. And Kara didn't say "what the frak are you talking about, my hands were never broken!"


Jessica - Mar 20, 2007 2:31:06 pm PDT #1962 of 3486
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

False memories of broken bones, I could buy. (Boomer remembered a family and a childhood, after all.)

False memories of broken bones that are also contagious to other Cylons who don't know that she's also one? That...I'd have a tough time with. So even if she is a Cylon, I think her physical scars are real.


Topic!Cindy - Mar 20, 2007 2:47:37 pm PDT #1963 of 3486
What is even happening?

And the flashbacks show Kara's itty bitty hands being smashed in the doorway by dear ole mom. And Kara didn't say "what the frak are you talking about, my hands were never broken!"

Right, but those are from Kara's mind. Boomer thought she had a childhood and stuff, too.

False memories of broken bones that are also contagious to other Cylons who don't know that she's also one? That...I'd have a tough time with. So even if she is a Cylon, I think her physical scars are real.

Oh yeah. Good point. He probably wouldn't have known she was one. I was forgetting that if she is one, none of the Cylons would know, because of the shrouded identity of the final five.


§ ita § - Mar 20, 2007 4:53:35 pm PDT #1964 of 3486
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

What would her being a hybrid do to the timeline? How long have the human-form cylons been around?

I agree with the PoV that all the shrieking about the specialness of the hybrid is diluted by the idea of one having been standing right there the whole time.

I wonder if a cylon fathered hybrid is less special than a cylon mothered one.


Jessica - Mar 20, 2007 5:23:41 pm PDT #1965 of 3486
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

How long have the human-form cylons been around?

Up until now, we'd been told they weren't around until after the first Cylon war, but with Tigh, that can't be true anymore.

I wonder if a cylon fathered hybrid is less special than a cylon mothered one.

Maybe Starbuck can lead the One Of My Parents Was A Cylon support group when Nicky and Hera are old enough.


Juliebird - Mar 20, 2007 5:36:42 pm PDT #1966 of 3486
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Up until now, we'd been told they weren't around until after the first Cylon war

was that meta information or from within the context of the show?

Maybe the "they weren't around" meant "the 12 colonies had never seen them around until now"?

Which reminds me of a mini-series question I'd always had: how the heck, if a humlon had never been seen or heard of before, did Adama figure out that CRK was a cylon? It never gelled for me. (Adama's a humlon! Leoben wasn't lying!)