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But didn't crazy Rousseau refer to the Others being there for a while (i.e., before the plane crash)?

I worded that badly. I meant, that the people Jin was running from were the other plane crash survivors and not the Others that Rousseau was talking about. And this set of people look rather...crazy and zombie ish because they've had a much rougher 44 days. So the real Others are still out there and a threat.

May I just say how glad I am that Jin's not dead? (DH had to put up with me periodically whimpering "But where's JIN?" during all of Michael and Sawyer's special Moments. Not that they weren't very special and I do love both Michael and Sawyer very much, but it was VERY MEAN of them to leave me wondering about Jin's alive-ness for the full hour.)

I love freaky Hatch!Guy.

Jess and I are as one. I was totally convinced Jin was sharkbaity goodness, and frankly, Hatch!Guy is the main reason I'm going to tune in next week.

As for Walt's mother? Ugh. You know what, when you have a kid with someone, and your thing with the someone doesn't last, but the someone isn't mean/abusive to you or your kid, I don't actually think you do get to uproot the child from the someone. I don't think you have to stay together, but you already made your choice, when you had and kept the kid. The kid doesn't run your life, but if you can get a job as a Senior Partner in Rome (and oh, yes, I couldn't help but think of The Girl in Question, which makes me get my bitch on, anyhow), you can get a job that pays the bills and is somewhat fulfilling (if not *as* prestigious) and makes use of your skills and education, right where you are, without robbing the child you decided to have and keep, of what ought to be one of his primary relationships.

Actually, I was convinced that Jin wasn't dead. I thought that if he died, we would have at least seen him first. I was worried he was kidnapped.

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I though I was crazy as a bag of hammers when I saw the tatoo or whatever on the shark.

My big problem with this ep is that the flashbacks have gotten a bit stale. Really, there's nothing in there that we don't already know, and that's what I liked about the format all through last year. The flashbacks gave new info, and altered our perceptions of the characters.

Well, that plus no Hurley. That's another major beef right there.

Ok, and I'm sick of half assed CPR/punching people in the chest working. I'm willing to forgive the fact that in real life, CPR has next to no chance of actually bringing someone out of cardiac arrest (but really, the plane would be carrying one of those swank li'l portable defib kits anyway), and I'm willing to forgive that nobody brought back by this stuff has any broken ribs to deal with, but there's a point where it just gets silly.

Right. Enough griping. The above to the contrary, I really do like the show, and thought the 'present time' sequences in this ep to be very compelling. Loved the scary Romeroesque glimpse of the others, thought that not mentioning Jin at all for the first while to be very tension building (though I didn't think he was actually dead). The bagua on everything is pretty damn freaky (I'm not even going to pretend I knew what it was, I was thinking a corperate logo of some sort), and the bagua on the frickin' shark made brain matter leak out my left ear.

But Desmond thinking he's an apocalypse survivor is about the choicest bit of TV I've seen since Firefly got cancelled. Too sweet.

You know, I think you are absolutely right. I was hoping that Michael or his babymomma would intersect with another castaway's life in some way. We didn't learn anything new at all about Michael and Walt's backstory except that Walt may be the cutest toddler ever. Damn. That was some cute.

Yeah, intersection would have made that worthwhile.

Ugh. What a waste of an hour. At the end we're three seconds further in the timeline than we were last week. It's like those serials in the newspaper comics that run all week but never move the plot forward except on Sundays (I'm looking at you, Mary Worth).

I was totally with you on the flashback, MechKrel. We know she takes the boy away. We know she pressures him with payment for medical bills. We know he was very reluctant but in the end he does what he thinks is best for Walt. What was the point other than to fill time?

And the Walt/Sawyer business on the rafts? Amusing for like 2 minutes. They bicker, they fight, they find a better raft, they get back the island, and OMGWTFOthers. Even the 3 1/2 seconds of shark didn't really make it more interesting. Why did it take half an episode?

It's almost like they don't have enough story, so they drag out the elements they have. The Rashoman Kate thing was interesting, but they could have done it in last week's episode.

See, I don't know about other people, but I note the time while I watch shows. When we haven't had a single interesting reveal 50 minutes into the show, it pisses me off. I might as well just tape the last 10 minutes of each episode, at least I won't be cranky afterward. Really poor plotting/writing. Ugh.

Maybe I was a bit too harsh?

I liked the bickering and the raft trading a lot. Also liked the reveals we got about Desmond and the lair. My mind was going "wait, what's that? Ah ha, the numbers. What does THAT mean?" the whole time, and I like the whirring and buzzing. Lots of new stuff there. The flashbacks I was not interested in.