Mal: Does she understand that? River: She understands. She doesn't comprehend.

'Objects In Space'


Lost: OMGWTF POLAR BEAR  

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DebetEsse - May 12, 2005 9:40:26 am PDT #8051 of 10000
Woe to the fucking wicked.

And she'd certainly feel like she killed him.


Jessica - May 12, 2005 9:57:21 am PDT #8052 of 10000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I think it's very strange that Kate refers to what happened to her ex-BF as she "killing" him. And it leaves me with an asspull feeling.

ITA. Major retcon, I thought.


Lyra Jane - May 12, 2005 10:07:07 am PDT #8053 of 10000
Up with the sun

She didn't pull the trigger, but her actions directly caused his death.

True, but she did everything she could (short of, you know, getting out of the car and surrendering to police) to get him out of the way.

Would there be a legal case against her for his death? ISTM like the charge would be something like reckless endangerment, rather than murder.


Theodosia - May 12, 2005 10:07:37 am PDT #8054 of 10000
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Kate could, for instance, have killed her abusive father in relatively cold blood


Jessica - May 12, 2005 10:18:06 am PDT #8055 of 10000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Yeah, I'm getting tired of thinking of all the things Kate could have done. Isn't that the writers' job?

Every Kate backstory ep so far has been a huge letdown. We were told in the pilot that she was a dangerous criminal. We've been shown that she's kind-hearted, guilt-ridden, and misunderstood. (And after last night, it looks like we're about to find out that she was innocent all along. Feh.)


Jars - May 12, 2005 10:21:06 am PDT #8056 of 10000

I think Kate's crime(s) had to have been pretty serious. She'd been on the run for quite a while by the time she went back to Iowa, by the look of things, and the police still cared enough to stake out the hospital. Plus they sent a Marshal to Australia after her, which doesn't seem like the sort of thing you do for a run of the mill bank robber. Also her mother's freak-out doesn't bode well.

And yes, I do want Kate to turn out very bad indeed, and am twisting the available evidence so I get what I want. Don't judge me.


ChiKat - May 12, 2005 10:23:00 am PDT #8057 of 10000
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

Kate did something before the death of the ex. Why would she run/change her appearance/etc. before even going to the hospital otherwise? Also, when at the hospital, she ran. She didn't do anything to her mom.

I think while she feels bad and responsible for the ex's death, that's not her big bad thing.

heh! x-posty with Jars.


Jessica - May 12, 2005 10:27:24 am PDT #8058 of 10000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I guess I've just lost faith in the writers to give us something worth waiting for wrt Kate's crime. Sure, there's all this peripheral evidence that it happened, and that it was bad, but nothing about her makes me believe it.

And then last night, with the whole "crime I supposedly commited" or whatever the line was....I have a horrible sinking feeling it's going to be like watching the OC all over again.

[eta: OH, and the hair-dyeing scene made no sense, if she was trying to disguise herself, because she's quite clearly a natural brunette. If she was trying to be incognito, she should have stayed blonde or borrowed one of Sydney's wigs or something. I mean, no wonder she got caught.]


beth b - May 12, 2005 10:32:25 am PDT #8059 of 10000
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

just saw:

actually , I was interested in the Kate story -- she really seems like someone that has never grown up fromm her abusive background. I am positive she killed someone that was a buseing - and possible hurt more than that person. Maybe she killed a younger sibling to save them. I also suspect that once she killed - she kept killing . But Tom is the person she killed - because she saw him as a person. I don't mind the speculation this is giving me.

Sun is going to blame Kate for Kate's suggestion - Sun seems willing to take responsibility for her own actions.- she is paying the price for them now.

I love that Hurley is the voice of logic and reason " how am I suposed to keep straght who knows what secrets?"

Don't think the raft will get far.


Jars - May 12, 2005 10:32:48 am PDT #8060 of 10000

Well, in fairness, the marshall did say waaay back in the beginning that he believed she didn't do it. But even if she didn't do whatever the big fat exciting crime was, she's since robbed a bank, been a fugitive from justice, shot a whole bunch of people, and endangered any number of lives. So the 'supposedly' kind of ceases to matter at that point, I think. She's going to jail, innocent of the big fat exciting crime or not.