Sawyer wasn't expecting her to be able to out muscle him. Yay! Surprise!

Did she though? I agree that Jack underestimated her, but the way I remember the scene with Sawyer (which may be wrong) is that she surprised him and was able to knock him down, but then he flipped them pretty much right away, so that he was in control, and then Kate and Sayid together pushed/pulled him off.

Did she though?

Yeah, you're right. I was projecting too much maybe. I was yelling (in my head) at the screen "Use your hips! Flip him! Flip him!"

Post-traumatic stress/sleep deprivation can certainly account for Jack's actions in White Rabbit. The usefulness of those hallucinations (finding water, meeting Locke with the boar) seems a little suspect, though.

I was thinking about that. Triggers. In the former, the ice tinkling in the glass was triggered by the waterfall at the edge of his hearing. His brain just processed it and turned falling water into the hallucination.

As for meeting Locke with the boar on the previous episode, he may have heard Locke grunt, and since he had been told Locke was dead, his overstressed brain made a leap to the other dead person in Jack's life.

Since he was already hallucinating about his dad, these triggering events just blended in.

Yeah, you're right. I was projecting too much maybe. I was yelling (in my head) at the screen "Use your hips! Flip him! Flip him!"

Hee. I was thinking, "If I keep going to Krav [this was pre-back being fucked up] I would know how to get out of that"

My theory about Jack and his father is slightly different than what I've read here ... I think he did something like turn his father in for doing something doctory while under the influence, casuing his father to flee in shame. I do think Jack's a doctor, but I think there are ... issues.

I like it. finally caught up last night - on the show.

I am in the with camp that says the isalnd is a catalyst. but I could move to the experimetal world camp. occasionaly my Brain goes to Fantasay Island, but it too tacky to stay there long.

I like the idea of JL and the island worship - but I don't kow John Locke's ( meaning the philospher) religious views

but I don't kow John Locke's ( meaning the philospher) religious views

Locke's philosophy was a strong influence on Thomas Jefferson, the Founding Fathers, and the Declaration of Independance.

He was responsible for much of modern empiricism, and also the reasoning that created our system of checks and balances.

Probably most important to the show, he was the first to make a really big deal out of epistemology (trying to understand how we know things), argued for the human mind as tabula rasa (that we are empty cabinets, and are capable of picking and choosing the experineces that define us as people, rather than being beholden to them), and was one of the first great liberal thinkers, arguing for the primacy of the pursuit of happiness, and believing in the natural rights of humans.

occasionaly my Brain goes to Fantasay Island, but it too tacky to stay there long.

Only the other day I made a bet with Nora that the last words of the series would be: "Da plane! Da plane!"

There was an interesting story in Salon yesterday about John Locke. Sadly, I probably wouldn't have read it if it wasn't for Lost. I think it was a reprint from something in the Guardian about how England should revere him more.

I seem to recall that most of Locke's political philosophy springs from considering "the state of nature", the state which humans would exist in outside of any form of government. Which is where our intrepid castaways find themselves.

Maybe somebody is using the island to do a little practical experiment in Political Philosophy 101?

If one of the other characters was called Thomas Hobbes, that'd be a dead giveaway.

Thomas Hobbes

HEH. I read this as "Thomas Hobbit"