This is so nice. Having everyone together for my birthday. Of course, you could smash in all my toes with a hammer and it will still be the bestest Buffy Birthday Bash in a big long while.

Buffy ,'Potential'


Lost: OMGWTF POLAR BEAR  

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Jessica - Feb 24, 2005 7:48:05 am PST #6458 of 10000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Yeah, that's what I thought, but it seemed like a longer time between the dog and the blood in Sun's flashback.

No, you're right -- in Sun's flashback, the growth of the dog was very clearly used as shorthand for "time has passed." So the bloody hand scene taking place only days after the puppy-gifting scene is a continuity error. A wankable one, but an error nonetheless.


arby - Feb 24, 2005 8:12:30 am PST #6459 of 10000
Guy #1: Man, there are so many hipsters around. I hate hipsters! Guy #2: You're at the wrong place. That's like going to Vegas only to say "I hate titties!" --The Warsaw, Williamsburg (OINY)

Speaking of fast-growing creatures looking completely different (dogs & kids), I did not recognize Walt in this ep - he looked like a different actor. I never read the credits to avoid spoilers, was Malcom David Kelley in them?

Also did anyone notice that in the scene when Locke & Walt were playing backgammon, Locke had the one light eye-one dark eye thing going on again? Wasn't as extreme/creepy as in the dreams, but definitely there - it's the same side every time, Locke's right eye is the dark one and his left is the light one (IIRC). In this case it was totally plausible as being from the firelight or whatever, but still cool IMHO.

ETA also the dark (right) side is the same side as his scar - I can't help but think that's significant - his Island Knowledge side?


§ ita § - Feb 24, 2005 8:21:59 am PST #6460 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think Jin's using the lack of a common language as a way to keep himself and Sun separate from the others, and actively avoided learning English in order to keep up that protective barrier.

A protective barrier need also be as little as not practicing, or not listening well. I took a year of Japanese, and Jin may very well have more English than I had Nihongo after passing that course. I still couldn't read anything targeted at kids over 4.

Hell, I've even seen native Quebec Anglophones just fail to pick up French, and that's with media in that language all around them.

If you don't try, and sometimes even if you do, it's still all Greek.

Locke made a lot of non-creepy sense this episode. Yet, still, no one seemed pinged to the outside threat.

I did not recognize Walt in this ep - he looked like a different actor.

It was the same kid. Doing more acting, though. He was good.


Stephanie - Feb 24, 2005 9:06:39 am PST #6461 of 10000
Trust my rage

I think the writers have done a good job of showing most of the events that made Jin change from who he was in the beginning to who he is now. The one thing I don't follow is his new-found concern over Sun and her body. At the very beginning, he seems to love her low-backed dress. Then at the wedding, she's wearing that high-necked thing. Now, he seems so paranoid about her exposing any part of herself. To me, that doesn't really follow from either a broken relationship or being BossDaddy's enforcer.


§ ita § - Feb 24, 2005 9:09:30 am PST #6462 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

To me, that doesn't really follow from either a broken relationship or being BossDaddy's enforcer.

It may come from cultural isolation. Suddenly he's all old school proper because he's all the Korea there is.


Polter-Cow - Feb 24, 2005 9:09:42 am PST #6463 of 10000
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I think the writers have done a good job of showing most of the events that made Jin change from who he was in the beginning to who he is now.

Yes.

The one thing I don't follow is his new-found concern over Sun and her body.

And yes again. As someone above pointed out, he's trying to isolate himself from the rest of the passengers by using the language barrier. I think Sun is the only thing he has on this island, and he's afraid of someone seeing her hotness and taking her away from him. I guess.

Suddenly he's all old school proper because he's all the Korea there is.

Oh, yeah. Another thing Jin's flashback cleared up was that they were, in fact, in Korea the whole time. The Sydney airport was cause of the job. It wasn't really explained how they got there before.


Stephanie - Feb 24, 2005 9:14:20 am PST #6464 of 10000
Trust my rage

Although we know it's not true, I can see how fishing village!Jin might believe that everyone else on the plane is some high class person by virtue of the fact that they could afford the long flight. This, plus the language barrier, may have made him feel isolated from the beginning. Perhaps that has made him want to control the one thing he thinks he can - Sun.


Kathy A - Feb 24, 2005 9:25:09 am PST #6465 of 10000
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

It finally occurred to me why Jin went nuts on Michael's possessing of Sun's father's watch back in the early days of the season. It wasn't that it was something given to him by his FiL, but it represented everything about his new life with Sun that he hates about himself, as well as the end of that life (if he had decided to take Sun and disappear in the U.S. after delivering the watch in San Francisco).


Lyra Jane - Feb 24, 2005 9:30:29 am PST #6466 of 10000
Up with the sun

I took a year of Japanese, and Jin may very well have more English than I had Nihongo after passing that course.

I had the same experience. Six credit hours and all I learned were the kanji for my name, the verb desu, and a vague sense that ka, on and no are useful words. I discovered as I was studying for the final that I'd had yes and no confused all semester.

The whole mess dragged my GPA way down, and I'm still bitter.

I did not recognize Walt in this ep - he looked like a different actor.

I had the same thought at first. He definitely has that about to enter a growth spurt" look.


-t - Feb 24, 2005 9:30:31 am PST #6467 of 10000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

The watch being so important to Jin makes me wonder how committed he was to walking away. I think he wants to, but he still hasn't really talked himself into it. I think that maybe helping Michael and spending more time as just Jin rather than Sun's protector and Korea's representative on the island will give him whatever he needs to break free of Boss!Daddy.