WRT the actual plan, it also seems silly that the mechanics turned out the way they did when Jack's original fear was that they'd end up shooting each other. Everyone in a circle, guns pointed to the center. Good one.

(Not that I could have put a better plan together on my own, but still.)

I doubt it was part of his plan that they stand in a circle, but more that it's reflexive to surround that way.

That's true- no one wants to leave a hole Ethan could get through. But still, they'd all best hope everyone's a good shot.

Well, and Mr. Gun Safety was the first one to drop his weapon because he was the one to jump Ethan. Woulda been better for him to not have it at all, or to throw it away before he jumped, well out of reach of the current combatants.

When Scott got nicked, the SO pointed out that Steve had better start worrying. After all, he doesn't know he's a minor character.

So do we feel that the threat is over, now that Ethan is dead? 'Cause that's probably optimistic, right?

I think Claire's going to be trouble.

So do we feel that the threat is over, now that Ethan is dead? 'Cause that's probably optimistic, right?

You can't forget about "the others". At the end of ep 11, Charlie said that "all they wanted was Claire."

If I'd been Jack the gun that went to Sawyer would have been handed to Claire instead, to keep concealed on her person in case Ethan grabbed her again.

This is actually an excellent point, and would have been a cool thing to see. I do think there's a bit of the traditionalist in Jack, so I wasn't too sorry to see Sawyer ping him on Kate and the guns, but I get the impression it's reflex rather than ideology. It doesn't help that the person most in position to retrain his assumptions has already been revealed as devious and murderous.

I'm curious to know if Claire being kept in the dark was deliberate, or if it was left to Charlie to break it to her, not realizing he'd decide to keep it a secret. It doesn't seem to have been done via a group meeting, so presumably it was tell a few people, tell them to make sure everyone knows, and since everyone was avoiding Claire, it didn't get passed to her.

did anyone here notice that they said Scott was the one who was killed, but he was being played by the guy who was previously thought to have been Steve? makes my brain hurt.

Aw tiggy, poor you. You've been Abramed.

So do we feel that the threat is over, now that Ethan is dead? 'Cause that's probably optimistic, right?

Well, there's the whole question of how Claire got a away at all.

I think Charlie might have gotten at least a moment's pause out of Ethan, before getting nearly throttled again, if instead of asking "What do you want with her?" he'd asked "Why the fuck did you let her get away in the first place, you stupid git?"