Anya: Are you stupid or something? Giles: Allow me to answer that question with a firing.

'Sleeper'


Lost: OMGWTF POLAR BEAR  

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Jars - Jan 14, 2005 6:56:56 am PST #4885 of 10000

If Locke's only motivation is making people dependent on him, then why save Jack? He didn't just save him, he made him able to be a leader. Was he creating his own nemesis?


Lilty Cash - Jan 14, 2005 7:03:54 am PST #4886 of 10000
"You see? THAT's what they want. Love, and a bit with a dog."

I don't get the feeling that Locke is out for power, per se, but rather, that he's coming into his own. When he talks, people listen now. He is able to provide for them, rather than be provided for. He can hunt, he can track, he can freaking walk.

For him, that kind of transformation is exciting. If he thinks that the island has contributed to his healing, maybe he wants to share that with the others. Help them 'achieve their potential'.

It's like the Tony Robbins of land masses.

t /Devils Advocate.


Topic!Cindy - Jan 14, 2005 7:04:26 am PST #4887 of 10000
What is even happening?

I don't dependency is his only motive, it may not even be a motive of itself. I think he wants to control the situation. Handpicking a leader gives him a different sort of control than if he were leader himself, in some ways. He doesn't have the people looking to him as the leader, which frees him up to do his own stuff. He was able to make sure the people gravitated toward someone competent and fair. And if/when he doesn't want Jack in charge any longer? Well since it is likely people, being what they are, will rebel, it's now set so that they'll do so against Jack. Meanwhile, Locke is sitting pretty as exotic survivalist, who comes through in a pinch, feeds them, etc.


-t - Jan 14, 2005 7:05:06 am PST #4888 of 10000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

It's like the Tony Robbins of land masses.

So they're all doomed?


Deena - Jan 14, 2005 7:05:42 am PST #4889 of 10000
How are you me? You need to stop that. Only I can be me. ~Kara

I don't think Locke's motivation is making people dependent on him. I think he's paternalistic, and wants to help people, even if they don't really need his kind of help. He is, indeed, manipulative, but Sayid didn't have to take the knife; Charlie didn't have to give him the smack; Jack didn't have to listen; Michael didn't have to let Walt believe that he found Vincent (and isn't it possible that having done that is his real problem with Locke?). He gives them what he believes they need, and they take it because they believe it too. Until he tied up Boone, who had pretty much given himself over to Locke already, he hadn't forced anyone. He may not consider what he did to Boone force, since he just provided the tools (crazy!paste, knife and rope).


Lilty Cash - Jan 14, 2005 7:06:23 am PST #4890 of 10000
"You see? THAT's what they want. Love, and a bit with a dog."

Basically.


Deena - Jan 14, 2005 7:08:58 am PST #4891 of 10000
How are you me? You need to stop that. Only I can be me. ~Kara

Yeah, a little x-posty there.


Lilty Cash - Jan 14, 2005 7:10:46 am PST #4892 of 10000
"You see? THAT's what they want. Love, and a bit with a dog."

Hee. The funny is, I was replying to the 'doomed' comment. Your post was just serendipity.


sfmarty - Jan 14, 2005 8:34:51 am PST #4893 of 10000
Who? moi??

If they all wake up in their beds the next morning I am going to be really angry.


Liese S. - Jan 14, 2005 8:42:24 am PST #4894 of 10000
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

The SO still claims (albeit laughingly) that Locke is totally good guy.

Definitely he's manipulative -- he's the one pulling the strings for a LOT of what's happening. When major action gets taken, it's usually got Locke behind it in one way or another. Motive is another thing altogether.

When he did the whole Boone bondage thing, I was thinking that it was pretty irresponsible to leave them tied up in a jungle where there are known predators. Unless he knows the extent and potentially has control of the danger, that is. Locke knew immediately that the danger to Shannon had been imagined -- he should have known that there was a hallucination, but not perhaps what it was, and indeed not that she hadn't come to any harm -- so did he have some sort of insight/tie/control that allowed him to know that?