No, that's not just in my mind, Cindy, I was very specifically refering to in those stories (Dante's afterlife stories, and Beetlejuice). In Dante's poems, the pains and punisments people suffered were (as I understand it, more knowledgable people please correct me if I'm wrong) specific to their sins, and very much not real world problems, even though there was (I think) actual physical suffering involved.

Yes, but if this is a purgatory story, why ever would the purgatory have to be tied into Dante's anyone's (other than J.J.'s) vision of it? That's the importing I'm talking about. I am ill prepared to say that if the characters are in some sort of purgatory, it is a lame story or a cheat, because I don't know how their world works, and wouldn't assume a Lost 'verse purgatory was anything like Dante's. But again, I really don't think this will end up being a purgatory.

JustKim, that makes sense. The exchange between Jack and his mom was bugging me.

why ever would the purgatory have to be tied into Dante's anyone's (other than J.J.'s) vision of it?

I'm worried that this is getting combative, but I do want to respond to this.

Here's why it's a cheat if they're just dead dead (not hovering as in Nutty's scenario)...

I don't need it to follow Dante's rules, but I do need dead dead people to have dead dead people problems, and not problems that mimic those of living people.

Otherwise, I feel cheated, curse JJ Abrahms' name, and never watch annoying show again.

I am sorry you feel it is combative. I didn't feel that way, and didn't mean to come off that way. I am sorry if/that I have. I was going to respond to your worry about being snippy, but I hadn't read you as snippy in the first place, just animated, so I wanted to continue.

but I do need dead dead people to have dead dead people problems, and not problems that mimic those of living people.

Okay. I don't know what the problems of dead people would be in this Lost 'verse. As I understand what you're saying above, for you, you need the dead's problems to be different, than they would be for living people, who were stranded on an island, in order to enjoy it. If I'm reiterating your point correctly, then that, I understand. I just don't share that need (provided I get a mythology somewhere along the way).

I am sorry you feel it is combative. I didn't feel that way, and didn't mean to come off that way. I am sorry if/that I have.

No, no! I was worried *I* was being combative! Not you, me! (Just because I can so often rub people the wrong way)

If I'm reiterating your point correctly, then that, I understand.

Yeah, that's my problem. I don't know what dead people problems would be in the Lost 'verse either, but I'm definitely the type to feel cheated, and react poorly, if they've been dealing primarily with living people problems, even if I get some mythology about it later.

I don't especially want a Lostverse mythology. I like that there's been a lot of weird unexplainable shit happening, but...I don't know. I want it to be real people dealing with real things that are really happening in the real world. I don't want it to be fantasy/horror universe. I would find that incredibly disappointing.

Maybe purgatory isn't the proper analogy. It could be more like Phillip Jose Farmer's Riverworld.

In that scenario, everybody who ever lived - upon their death - gets cast up into a new world with exciting physical world problems.

But I don't think they're actually going for a post-life scenario with the show.

I don't especially want a Lostverse mythology. I like that there's been a lot of weird unexplainable shit happening, but...I don't know. I want it to be real people dealing with real things that are really happening in the real world. I don't want it to be fantasy/horror universe. I would find that incredibly disappointing.

Over the long haul, though, the lack of coherent world-building will lead to narrative inconsistencies that will look like nothing so much as random asspulls and narrative jerkarounds. See, Chris Carter.

Not a fantasy universe != incoherent worldbuilding. I really don't see what the one has to do with the other.

Not a fantasy universe != incoherent worldbuilding. I really don't see what the one has to do with the other.

Well, I thought it was already a given that something about the island is fantastical. Though that may be untrue. But it seems to operating extra-normally.