I battle evil. But I don't really win. The bad keeps coming back and getting stronger. Like that kid in the story, the boy that stuck his finger in the duck.

Buffy ,'Showtime'


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Matt the Bruins fan - Jan 07, 2005 5:50:32 am PST #4456 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

The real question is whether there are any characters with sufficient emotional cruelty to knock Sawyer out of his high castle.

I suspect that both Jin and Locke possess it, but not the motivation or ability to use it on Sawyer.


Betsy HP - Jan 07, 2005 6:03:04 am PST #4457 of 10000
If I only had a brain...

People like Sawyer are the reason F, C, M exists. In the imaginary wonderland that is FCM, you can use Sawyer like a Kleenex and then discard him without repercussions.


Nora Deirdre - Jan 07, 2005 6:22:11 am PST #4458 of 10000
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

I suspect that both Jin and Locke possess it

Oooh. Jin v. Sawyer. Oooh.


Calli - Jan 07, 2005 6:27:29 am PST #4459 of 10000
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

People like Sawyer are the reason F, C, M exists.

Yes indeedy. He's like deep fried hot peppers stuffed with cheese and bacon, dipped in ranch dressing. You know it's bad for you when you order it. You know it's bad for you when you're eating it. You feel awful when you're done.

But mmmmmmmmmm, tasty!

F, C, P (love this addition), M?

F-Sawyer, C-Boone, P-Charlie, P-Hurley, M-Sayid


lisah - Jan 07, 2005 6:28:02 am PST #4460 of 10000
Punishingly Intricate

Jin v. Sawyer. Oooh.

or, you know, Jin/Sawyer


Nutty - Jan 07, 2005 6:42:37 am PST #4461 of 10000
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Actually, I am thinking, if it's been a month, don't you think that Jin & Sun would have picked up some English? I mean, being exposed to it daily and being required to interact with English-only speakers to survive. Pantomime is all well and good, but it's the nature of the human brain to pick up language.

I mean, the sum total of my exposure to Mandarin Chinese is a handful of subtitled movies, but even so I've figured out a word or two. Yes, Thank you, that kind of thing.

Not to mention, why isn't anybody actively trying to teach them English? I mean, just to pass the time, aside from the part where each of them has something to contribute and a skill others could learn. I am thinking, the Sun Speaks English secret realistically needs to have a very short half-life.


§ ita § - Jan 07, 2005 6:44:48 am PST #4462 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

being required to interact with English-only speakers

I wonder how much they are required. They can get their own food and water, after all.

But I've known people born and raised in, say, Montreal who couldn't tell you what the French for "bus" is. Just watching consulate staff indicates picking language up isn't that automatic, especially if you're insular by nature, which Jin certainly is.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jan 07, 2005 6:45:48 am PST #4463 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Well, we haven't seen Jin enough to know if he's picking anything up. I suppose Sun could use him as a guide and fake staying just slightly more proficient at the language than he as time goes on.


Lyra Jane - Jan 07, 2005 6:49:12 am PST #4464 of 10000
Up with the sun

I think Jin hasn't picked up English because he doesn't want to, and Sun hasn't pretended to learn it because she knows Jin wouldn't want her to. Similarly, if they don't let anyone try to teach them, attempts to do so will obviously be short-lived. Self-imposed isolation can be powerful.


§ ita § - Jan 07, 2005 6:50:36 am PST #4465 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Jin probably recognises "yes" and "no" and "you stupid sexist motherfucker."

Though it's likely he only translates the first two correctly.