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Lost: OMGWTF POLAR BEAR
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Nora Deirdre - Dec 11, 2004 4:53:28 pm PST #3807 of 10000
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)
Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 11, 2004 5:06:11 pm PST #3808 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
and the scene swings back from "the ballsiest move in the history of genre television" to "criminally manipulative."
I know I'm biased by the Joss love, but I'd place several Mutant Enemy moments as ballsier than that. Angel killing Jenny Calendar, "Close your eyes," and "And yet, somehow, I just can't seem to care" all come to mind.
Oh, how this cracked me up:
The jungle. Jack is flailing through a meadow like a muppet. I think Jack has problems.
§ ita § - Dec 11, 2004 6:02:36 pm PST #3809 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Since Charlie wasn't staying dead, how can that scene be ballsy?
Killing a hobbit and keeping him that way? I think the Kittens could probably take lessons from Dom's fan base. That'd be ballsy, and why I didn't think it was happening, certainly not just after sweeps.
Sorry Liese, about the spoil. When I wrote it, I was cynically thinking no one on my friend's list would have bought the fakeout, and figuring it was mildly vague.
Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 11, 2004 6:19:00 pm PST #3810 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Since Charlie wasn't staying dead, how can that scene be ballsy?
I think she was referring to the hypothetical scene in which he stayed dead with the "ballsy" statement. MostlyDead!Hobbit got "criminally manipulative" instead.
§ ita § - Dec 11, 2004 6:22:10 pm PST #3811 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Mmm. In my head the scene swung from potentially ballsy (at my least cynical) to the manipulative side.
Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 11, 2004 6:30:22 pm PST #3812 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
I don't think it would have tripped my OhPlease!ometer nearly so badly if not for the dramatic pause for tears between resuscitation attempts.
But a TwoP poster had the best idea I've heard: Charlie dies, Jack & Kate bury him or leave him in the jungle, then later on around the campfire he comes strolling out of the jungle all better. The creepiness and WTF?!? factor would offset any cop-out.
Zenkitty - Dec 11, 2004 6:47:07 pm PST #3813 of 10000
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.
Maybe he did really die, and the Mysterious Island Powers brought him back.
§ ita § - Dec 11, 2004 6:50:30 pm PST #3814 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Didn't he really die? Jack thinks it was him that brought him back, but he may have been a gimme.
Zenkitty - Dec 11, 2004 6:56:54 pm PST #3815 of 10000
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.
Well, yeah, he did really die. I meant really dead as in can't be brought back by heroic human means. I think it was Island-intervention, not Jack-intervention, that brought him back.
Kate P. - Dec 11, 2004 8:00:41 pm PST #3816 of 10000
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love
Further, I was a little disappointed that it was him not on the manifest. Woulda been nicer if it wasn't. Maybe it wasn't! Maybe it's still Sawyer-Mr.-It's-Stupid-To-Change-My-Name!
Liese, that was my initial crackpot theory, but didn't Hurley specifically say at the beginning of this last ep that it was Ethan who wasn't on the manifest?
I think it's entirely possible that Island Mojo, rather than Shattered Sternum, was what brought Charlie back from ex-Hobbiton.