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[NAFDA] This is where we talk about the show! Anything that's aired in the US (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though -- if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


sumi - Nov 11, 2004 4:36:25 am PST #2123 of 10000
Art Crawl!!!

To Locke? You mean, in his head?


Beverly - Nov 11, 2004 4:55:24 am PST #2124 of 10000
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Lee, you're right, and I definitely think that was part of it. That he went into the situation, offered his skills and experiences to Jack as to his nominal superior officer, believing that following Jack's orders somehow absolved him of at least part of the responsibility for what he was doing "for the greater good." But that he didn't simply follow orders, that it--and he--did get out of Jack's and his own control was his concern, and the deciding factor in his going walkabout.

And at that, he couldn't just take a walk to clear his head, he had to have a purpose, a responsibility to the others on the island. Okay, granted, it's only logical that if you're going you might as well be mapping and useful. But still. Sawyer, and probably Jack, would have stomped off to clear his head without another thought. At least until they were in uncharted territory, where there be bears.

I may be reading entirely too much into Sayid's sense of responsibility, but to me it speaks to his training as a soldier as much as to his character.


Lee - Nov 11, 2004 5:07:21 am PST #2125 of 10000
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

Not so much in his head, sumi, as in spirit. Locke was clearly trying to cause more stress between the two, and made a point of giving Sayid a knife, so he could do more damage.

Beverly, I definitely think Sayid was following his training as a soldier last night, at least most of the time.


arby - Nov 11, 2004 5:07:38 am PST #2126 of 10000
Guy #1: Man, there are so many hipsters around. I hate hipsters! Guy #2: You're at the wrong place. That's like going to Vegas only to say "I hate titties!" --The Warsaw, Williamsburg (OINY)

OK, since no one answered me about the spoiler policy, here goes nothing.

ETRSpoiler

Oh and BTW, that wasn't Emma Caulfield. I could have sworn it was too, but no.


Jessica - Nov 11, 2004 5:08:21 am PST #2127 of 10000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Mmmmmmmmmmm, that was some good show.

If Not!Sawyer's used to conning people out of hundreds of thousands of dollars at a time, I have no trouble believing that he could get himself to Australia.

I'm so over Kate. She can die next.

Sayid is a nummy treat, and I'm glad we're getting to his story.

Charlie and Claire are adorable, but what was with Charlie making her carry her own bag? The woman's 8+ months pregnant, man!


beathen - Nov 11, 2004 5:09:18 am PST #2128 of 10000
Sure I went over to the Dark Side, but just to pick up a few things.

I have to chime in about Claire and Charlie. The blinvisible peanut butter was really sweet. When Charlie started to open his bag I was worried he'd brokered some kind of weird deal with Locke for it, but it was just his imagination and Claire liked. So yay!

This was the best scene of this episode! I had to rewind it so many times.

It's full. Full to the brim of mouth-watering, oh God, need a glass of milk, extra smooth... It's the best bloody peanut butter I've ever had.

His facial expression when he was doing this was priceless.


Jessica - Nov 11, 2004 5:11:18 am PST #2129 of 10000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

arby, I must have skimmed, because I missed your asking about spoiler policy. It's laid out in the FAQ, but the short answer is, spoilers go in the spoiler threads, not in here.


arby - Nov 11, 2004 5:18:55 am PST #2130 of 10000
Guy #1: Man, there are so many hipsters around. I hate hipsters! Guy #2: You're at the wrong place. That's like going to Vegas only to say "I hate titties!" --The Warsaw, Williamsburg (OINY)

Sorry Jessica. I moved it to Spoilage Lite.


Vonnie K - Nov 11, 2004 5:31:27 am PST #2131 of 10000
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

Arby, info like that probably fits the best in the newly-resurrected Spoiler Lite: The Electric Boogaloo.

That he went into the situation, offered his skills and experiences to Jack as to his nominal superior officer, believing that following Jack's orders somehow absolved him of at least part of the responsibility for what he was doing "for the greater good."

That's interesting Sayid characterization. Disturbing, too, when you think of how Sayid butted heads with Jack on other survival-related tasks--one alpha male to another--yet he clearly consigned Jack the leadership role when it came to inflicting calculated violence. It doesn't paint him in flattering light. (Which is fine, 'cause I like my fictional heroes flawed.)

As for Kate... they should be able to do more with the character. Hot as that kiss with Sawyer may have been, she should be more than conflicted romantic interest for three different guys. For example, I dug that she decided to stay on the beach for a reason of her own. Show that she has agency separate from the men, show her interacting with the women in an interesting way, *then* we're going somewhere interesting. The way it is now, she seems to have alienated a large bulk of the fandom (and not just the rabid Sawyer fangirls), which is too bad, because I think the actress, inexperience as she is, has potential (I was blown away by her 'count to five' scene in the pilot part 2.)


Kate P. - Nov 11, 2004 5:33:26 am PST #2132 of 10000
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Frankly, if I were Kate, I'd tell him there wasn't time to deal with his psychodrama and that if he wanted to be hurt he would have to do it himself.

Heather is me WRT Sawyer. Actually, he reminded me strongly of Faith in this episode, all "Kill me! I'm bad, I'm bad, I want to die, just kill me already!"

I'm guessing that Sawyer went to Australia to get away from people who would otherwise kill or arrest him, and that he was returning because he'd gotten some sort of lead on the original Sawyer. That would also explain why he had the letter so ready to hand.

OK, I like that idea. In general, I'm pleased to think that we'll be getting multiple flashbacks for various characters, because so far almost every backstory has given us more questions than answers.

I don't think the mysterious figure with the needles in next week's preview is from a flashback. Have we seen any flashback scenes in any of the previews yet? I think it's the French woman whose distress call was repeating for 16 years. I'm also leaning towards thinking she's the one who clocked Sayid last week, though it could still be Locke. I don't think there's anyone else among our main characters who would have done it. Also, I am finding SailAweigh's Locke=Loki theory more convincing with each episode.

The hair was right for the "Seduce the lady" part. Am I right?

All slicked down in the restaurant scene? Not this lady.

Boone isn't growing on me. Stupid kid.

More for me!

Dread Pirate Sawyer

Hee!

But he stopped the instant Jack said to. Under orders. The good soldier. Personal feelings aside. Duty. "Go get my bag," and Sayid goes. He doesn't dog it, he runs.

But Beverly, that was after he'd nearly killed Sawyer in blind rage. I think that was really what he couldn't forgive himself for. The torture was awful, but he thought it was necessary at the time, and you're right that he offered calmly and let Jack decide whether or not to use him. But once Sawyer revealed that he didn't have the inhalers, then Sayid lost his shit (possibly made easier because he'd already started down that path again with the torture) and went after Sawyer with intent to kill, although he did pull himself back from the edge in time. Still, I think it was the fact that he nearly killed Sawyer after it was revealed that he didn't have what they were looking for that made him realize he'd broken his vow.