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Gus - Oct 31, 2004 10:47:47 am PST #1271 of 10000
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

Took the opportunity to google around about Will Scarlet and learned a lot, leading me to think that Sawyer and he don't that much in common. Sawyer is a foil for Jack, as Will Scarlet was for Robin Hood, highlighting the attributes of leadership, but the similarities stop there. I don't believe we will soon see Sawyer and Jack closely allied, and that is a big element of the Robin and Will relationship.


DXMachina - Oct 31, 2004 11:30:17 am PST #1272 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

I was flipping through an illustrated version last night. Will is his cousin in this one. I also came across the following bit, where Robin and Little John first come across Will in Sherwood, and there are some indications as to just why the band was known as the Merry Men.

Presently they heard someone coming up the road whistling gaily, as though he owned the whole world and 'twas made to whistle in.

"By my troth, a gay bird!" quoth Robin, raising up on his elbow. "Let us lie still, and trust that his purse is not as light as his heart."

So they lay still, and in a minute more up came a smart stranger dressed in scarlet and silk and wearing a jaunty hat with a curling cock feather in it. His whole costume was of scarlet, from the feather to the silk hosen of his legs. A goodly sword hung at his side, its scabbard all embossed with tilting knights and weeping ladies. His hair was long and yellow and hung clustering about his shoulders, for all the world like a schoolgirl's.

Little John clucked his teeth drolly at this sight. "By my troth, a gay bird!" he said, echoing the other's words—then added, "But not so bad a build for all his prettiness. Look you, those calves and thighs are well rounded and straight. The arms, for all that gold-wrought cloak, hang stoutly from full shoulders.


Gus - Oct 31, 2004 11:34:17 am PST #1273 of 10000
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

Here come the Sherwood slash.


JenP - Oct 31, 2004 12:52:56 pm PST #1274 of 10000

My, my.

Also, since it's later in the eve, I'll do this here:

Happy Birthday, Daniel!

I'm sort of hoping it's hard to map these people neatly. I want some surprise and mystery. Which, so far, so good.


Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 31, 2004 1:13:34 pm PST #1275 of 10000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

DX, who published that version of the tale? Tom of Finland?


DXMachina - Oct 31, 2004 1:15:25 pm PST #1276 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Heh. Unicorn Publishing. It has illustrations by Greg Hildebrandt.


Beverly - Oct 31, 2004 1:50:59 pm PST #1277 of 10000
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

As someone who had reason to do a lot of Robin Hood research awhile back, and have collected a mort of versions of the tales, I have some knowledge of the legend.

Traditionally, Little John was Robin's staunchest friend and ally. Alan was the bard, and not too good at fighting. Whether Robin in the given version was the forester's son, or a nobleman, Scarlet was himself a nobleman, and much given to peacock clothes and airs and graces. He was, however, a good swordsman and as good as anyone (except Robin himself, of course) with a bow, and aquitted himself adequately with a quarterstaff. He was often, as DX(?) said, a foil for Robin. In some versions he set himself against Robin for leadership, whether in fact or just to test Robin's will, but he was never as unqualifiedly behind Robin as Little John, Tuck, Alan, or Much. And in many of the tales, Much was Robin's kinsman. Often it was not specified if he was brother or cousin, but cousin of some degree is assumed, as he was addressed as kinsman.

/end pedantage.

Hey, what's research for, if not to show it off once in a while?


DXMachina - Oct 31, 2004 2:00:55 pm PST #1278 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

The thing I noticed while flipping though last night is that virtually all of the Merry Men joined the band after first beating Robin in a fight. Little John beat him. Will beat him. Friar Tuck beat him. Robin is lucky to have survived.


Beverly - Oct 31, 2004 2:03:43 pm PST #1279 of 10000
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Well, you know, back then, somebody didn't have to get beat into the ground to be "beaten," or bested. A couple raps on the knuckles with a quarterstaff, a lucky punch to the schnozz, and Hi there! Want to be a Merry Man?

Or, I suppose in the latter case, "Hi dere! Wahd do be uh berry bad?"


DXMachina - Oct 31, 2004 2:09:11 pm PST #1280 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

"You hib me wib a girder. You hib my face wib a whole girder."

"You were meant to duck."