I think what I've been trying to say is "Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist."

For context, see my previous posts 3185 and 3186.

Okay, now I'm curious. Am I the only one who doesn't think Snape's love for Lily was at all romantic-- or if it was, that it was totally secondary? Because she was the first real friend he ever had-- perhaps the *only* real friend he ever had-- and he broke faith with her by pushing her away, and he feels that it's therefore his fault that she died. Which, to me, is a lot *more* compelling than if it were plain old romantic yearning.

All I know is, I was reading Dumbledore and Grindelwald's relationship as romantic, and Snape and Lily's as platonic, and the book itself neither confirms nor denies those readings. Regardless of what Rowling has to say about it.

I find it hard to make the leap from that to "being gay in the HP universe is totally not a big deal!" when we're given nothing else to support that reading.

I didn't say she'd succeeded in portraying that world. I just meant that may have been her thinking. (Which means I agree with you.)

Holli, I've had that thought myself, and I've seen it in some places. I think it works just fine as a non-romantic affection and jealousy.

What Holli said.

Also, even most of the cover artists never figured out Ged wasn't white (Le Guin's Earthsea books). People tend to see what they expect.

My step-mother swore that Hermione was black, until Emma Watson was cast. That made me uncomfortable, because she pointed to physical descriptions that her generation used to describe blacks, and that my generation views as (negative) stereotyping: bushy hair and prominent teeth. But my step-m really wanted a smart, confident black girl to have a major role in the books.

Did any of the teachers have a partner? It seemed like they were all single.

I still maintain that while it wasn't as explicit as DUMBLEDORE IS GAY ON PAGE 683, D's gayness was in the text. In fact, I would argue that it's not a positive take on a gay relationship, because Dumbledore made some major life mistakes as a result of it, and it certainly didn't turn into a happy and supportive relationship. But Dumbledore is a good role model, and tragic love stories are part of the human experience, so I am cool with it.

I mean, what if she says next that Riddle was gay? That would be bad.

Did any of the teachers have a partner? It seemed like they were all single.

They didn't really have much in in the way of personal lives at all (which is very much how kids see teachers).

I think Hagrid was the only one who had any relationship present in the text.

Anansi Boys didn't take place in a black setting as far as I could tell.

what makes a setting "black"?

what makes a setting "black"?

No idea. Which is one reason I couldn't say Anansi Boys was in one. Okay, the reason. They were just people, and some of them were Jamaican. Setting only arose in an attempt to draw or fail parallels with sexual orientation in fiction.

All I know is, I was reading Dumbledore and Grindelwald's relationship as romantic, and Snape and Lily's as platonic

This was exactly my reading.

I don't have the book in front of me, but after reading the text and then listening to the audiobook several times in a row, it became more and more clear when Dumbledore used terms along the lines of...'boy with a golden smile', or some such, that his feelings for Grindelwald were more than chummy. The torrid letter writing. The heartache of being separated from him, and then feeling betrayed by him. It all just seemed...normal.

When it first occurred to me, my eyebrow went up with an 'oh-hoe!' But then the notion that Dumbledore was gay simply became part of the tapestry.

I'm struck now...that it didn't strike me as odd.

I'm struck now...that it didn't strike me as odd.

The man does wear funky boots.