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The Buffista Book Club: the Harry Potter iteration  

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Emily - Oct 23, 2007 9:06:47 am PDT #3197 of 3301
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

I find it hard to make the leap from that to "being gay in the HP universe is totally not a big deal!" when we're given nothing else to support that reading.

I didn't say she'd succeeded in portraying that world. I just meant that may have been her thinking. (Which means I agree with you.)

Holli, I've had that thought myself, and I've seen it in some places. I think it works just fine as a non-romantic affection and jealousy.


Volans - Oct 23, 2007 9:31:43 am PDT #3198 of 3301
move out and draw fire

What Holli said.

Also, even most of the cover artists never figured out Ged wasn't white (Le Guin's Earthsea books). People tend to see what they expect.

My step-mother swore that Hermione was black, until Emma Watson was cast. That made me uncomfortable, because she pointed to physical descriptions that her generation used to describe blacks, and that my generation views as (negative) stereotyping: bushy hair and prominent teeth. But my step-m really wanted a smart, confident black girl to have a major role in the books.

Did any of the teachers have a partner? It seemed like they were all single.

I still maintain that while it wasn't as explicit as DUMBLEDORE IS GAY ON PAGE 683, D's gayness was in the text. In fact, I would argue that it's not a positive take on a gay relationship, because Dumbledore made some major life mistakes as a result of it, and it certainly didn't turn into a happy and supportive relationship. But Dumbledore is a good role model, and tragic love stories are part of the human experience, so I am cool with it.

I mean, what if she says next that Riddle was gay? That would be bad.


Trudy Booth - Oct 23, 2007 9:46:59 am PDT #3199 of 3301
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Did any of the teachers have a partner? It seemed like they were all single.

They didn't really have much in in the way of personal lives at all (which is very much how kids see teachers).


Kat - Oct 23, 2007 10:51:19 am PDT #3200 of 3301
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

I think Hagrid was the only one who had any relationship present in the text.


Vortex - Oct 23, 2007 11:33:34 am PDT #3201 of 3301
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Anansi Boys didn't take place in a black setting as far as I could tell.

what makes a setting "black"?


§ ita § - Oct 23, 2007 11:42:36 am PDT #3202 of 3301
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

what makes a setting "black"?

No idea. Which is one reason I couldn't say Anansi Boys was in one. Okay, the reason. They were just people, and some of them were Jamaican. Setting only arose in an attempt to draw or fail parallels with sexual orientation in fiction.


beekaytee - Oct 23, 2007 12:32:09 pm PDT #3203 of 3301
Compassionately intolerant

All I know is, I was reading Dumbledore and Grindelwald's relationship as romantic, and Snape and Lily's as platonic

This was exactly my reading.

I don't have the book in front of me, but after reading the text and then listening to the audiobook several times in a row, it became more and more clear when Dumbledore used terms along the lines of...'boy with a golden smile', or some such, that his feelings for Grindelwald were more than chummy. The torrid letter writing. The heartache of being separated from him, and then feeling betrayed by him. It all just seemed...normal.

When it first occurred to me, my eyebrow went up with an 'oh-hoe!' But then the notion that Dumbledore was gay simply became part of the tapestry.

I'm struck now...that it didn't strike me as odd.


Connie Neil - Oct 23, 2007 1:17:34 pm PDT #3204 of 3301
brillig

I'm struck now...that it didn't strike me as odd.

The man does wear funky boots.


Vortex - Oct 23, 2007 1:51:11 pm PDT #3205 of 3301
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Seven Clues that Dumbledore was gay


Typo Boy - Oct 23, 2007 1:57:27 pm PDT #3206 of 3301
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Yeah, OK. I have no problem with Rowling not putting everything she knows about her characters in her work; most good writers know stuff about their characters that is not in the text - although by not putting it in the text they leave their work open to equally valid alternative readings.

But she put a fair amount of trivia in the work. Even if she did not see it as essential to the series did she not understand that it would have been far from trivial to many readers? Honestly, is there any shortage of sentences she could have cut out to make room for something along the lines people here have suggested "I was blinded by his beauty for a time"?